flop plays does't make too much sense, imo. we only putting pressure on draws (and we are not doing like crazy good vs most of them), and decent percent of his range is aces that he's not going to fold according to the sizing chosen.

pre, I guess we need UTG open range and BB sqz or at least 3b% to talk about 3b\ or call-4betting

Hi, well I don't have those numbers because from UTG I only have 23 hands and 45 hands from BB player. The only thing is that BB has 3bet from CO bad JJ's vs a tight UTG player on another table, but that's the only information that I had at the moment of play this hand. With this, I supposse BB is squeezing any AA, KKs, QQs, ABBs, rundowns at least single suited.

With this SPR I only need ~41% equity to break even and I have that vs his range to call the shove. But thinking again in the hand, with my actual holding I don't need to protect much against the part of his range that would fold to the shove. Probably better play would be to call flop, and donk shove any turn card that doesn't complete the flush or isn't an A. What do you think about that?

When I played the hand I decide to shove flop to avoid the situation when an A hits on the turn giving him the possibility to bluff that card with his draw. But in retrospective, the A is only hitting like 8% of time, and when that happends a big part of his range would hit that A. So, try to avoid this "problem" isn't a good reason to shove flop.

That leaves us with one thing: I have at least the equity nessesary to shove on the flop, but what is going to have a bigger EV, shove flop? or call flop and donk shove a "safe" turn?

Def 4betting pre if he 3b that hand vs utg. I think our sample size is too small to say that wed 4b Kkj8 but call KKJ2. Its a matter of a couple of % here or there. Now granted most ppl tend to squeeze less often than they 3b so i dont think a call pre is bad. If we were ip id be more likely to flat, but oop 3w with kinda disconn KK and only 100bbs deep id 4b oop. Vs 12%!AA and 10% were ahead

I dont know what range u assigned him otf, but given that hes betting big into 2 ppl i doubt he has a lot of air in his range.

Id just give him 12-15% pre and then any JJ+ and any FD or 65xx and see how we do vs that. If any1 has pokerjuice they can run the Peel and shove for ya to see if calling flop is better than jamming. In game im prob jamming tho since im not gonna try to save a couple of dollars and risk putting in 40% of stack and fold when im not sure calling flop is better

With 100bb, and we get 3b squeezed, this is just a call. Against his 5b range, we don't do well.

On the flop, our only option is to call. Once he bets he's committed. We can fold when an Ace comes or possible a club (depends on player). Otherwise, by shoving, we don't accomplish too much.

If we had a 3, we wouldn't be shoving, we would be calling. BY shoving, he can't keep bluffing IF he is bluffing. If we commit ourselves anyway, than we can at least let him bluff at us and we can call down.

His 10-10, J-J, Q-Q are all going to bet for us anyway. By raising and him calling, we won't be ahead too often. Against a fish, I would go for the calling down lines anyway.

To be honest, I would need to run some simulations to figure it out, but I don't have the needed software to know wich flop play is more profitable.

I'm still thinking that calling and shoving are viable options. On one side we are almost on a flip against his range that would call the shove. Given that the flop has low cards people are not going to believe that we have a 4 very often, so they would call the shove with his QQ, KK, AA and (4, cc, and 33) that are inside of the top 12%, also with OESD or wraps from low rundownds. On the other, by calling flop we can "safetly" fold on an A turn and maybe on a club. I don't know....

Regards

yeah I agree that against a 3b range heavily on AA, we should fold and also we should fold against that range preflop if the pot was going HU and OOP (I mean if UTG folded) with that 2 into our hand, in my opinion.