PLO100 3Bet river spot after pairing turn

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PLO100 3Bet river spot after pairing turn

BN: $100
SB: $100.50 (Hero)
BB: $237.02
UTG: $206.94
HJ: $169.50
CO: $114.72
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt J Q 7 A
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $3, BN folds, Hero raises to $10, BB folds, CO calls $7
Flop ($21.50) 8 4 Q (2 Players)
Hero bets $14.50, CO calls $14.50
Turn ($50.50) 8 4 Q 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24
River ($98.50) 8 4 Q 8 9 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $66.22, and is all in, Hero folds
Final Pot
CO wins $95.20

I am quite curious about the river spot.

What would you guys put villain on @ the river? Take into account I only cbet 50% pot on turn.

Villain is a regular, dont remember exact stats, but I guess something like 27/24 general, capable of floats, bluffs etc. (ie. not just fit or fold nit).

Also, my 3b stats from the blinds are quite low, probably around 4-5%.

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offmenut 10 years, 10 months ago

I would be happy check/folding flop here, your just going to make far too many mistakes OOP with this hand for it to be profitable. As long as you balance your checking range I wouldn't be too worried about being exploited.

themightyjim 10 years, 10 months ago

Check folding flop seems bad.  I would probably bet smaller on the flop.  Turn play is where I struggle.  I think betting makes our decision making much easier, but I'm not sure that it would be the most +ev line. 

offmenut 10 years, 10 months ago

The reason check folding the flop seems bad is because our hand strength is good - TPTK. However, PLO is more about playability than absolute hand strength when the SPR is high as equities run so close. What's your plan on the turn when betting the flop? The only cards good for our hand are non heart A or Q (J/7 are OK). We're unlikely to get the money in (ahead) on these cards so still have the river to deal with as well.

anxaas 10 years, 10 months ago

I don't see anything wrong with this play except preflop,

I would rather call with this hand against good reg, cause if we started to 3bet this type of hands from blind our 3betting range will be so broadway heavy, and we lose lot of fold equity on many flops. And it's also makes our calling range from blinds a lot stronger so our opponent can't profitably barrel us. 


DirtyD 10 years, 10 months ago

I think preflop 3bet is pretty standard SB v CO with a hand this strong. It's not like double-suited ace-high rundowns are that common, we can still flat plenty of worse high card hands, like this hand if it weren't double-suited.

Check-folding flop seems weak, but I agree that it's very tough to play profitably. Not sure of the best flop plan.

You can consider hero calling the river with queen blocker, straight blocker, and no hearts in your hand, but it really comes down to villain's tendencies.

anxaas 10 years, 10 months ago

in position its an easy 3bet but, from sb our 3betting range will be unbalanced 

so is there any type of hand left to peel? it's gonna be very difficult to defend our calling range in my opinion


DirtyD 10 years, 10 months ago

Why will our 3betting range be unbalanced? There are plenty of high card hands we can call with. For example, we could 3bet double-suited hands like this, and flat the single-suited versions.

nofox 10 years, 10 months ago

I think pre 3bet is strd,as DirtyD said.

I think the 3bet flop cbet style is different among good players.Some cbet higher than 70%,some is lower than 55%.

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