PLO10 Boat facing 3barrel
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PLO10 Boat facing 3barrel
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players)
BN: $10.10
SB: $4.91
BB: $17.01
UTG: $25.92
MP: $19.83
CO: $10.91 (Hero)
SB: $4.91
BB: $17.01
UTG: $25.92
MP: $19.83
CO: $10.91 (Hero)
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is CO with
7
9
8
T
, , , , ,
Flop
($1.50)
A
T
T
, , , ,
Turn
($2.90)
A
T
T
8
,
River
($7.12)
A
T
T
8
6
,
Final Pot
UTG wins $6.82
Rake is $0.30
Rake is $0.30
Hello friends!
I am back with a question. It's a pretty easy one. Do we ever call 3 streets here with anything but ATxx, AAxx TTxx?
My thoughts are just that population isn't going to be bluffing the river frequently enough and we can make an exploitative fold unless we have a read.
Some additional info:
Villian is a reg playing 21/14/8 UTG RFI 17 (7/41 sample) Flop cbet 58 (7/12 sample).
Thank you very much!
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I think the decision is either to call turn and call river (based on read), or fold turn, as I don't think the non book part of his value range is betting turn for this size.
At PLO10 this is a clear fold pre.
Lol, why? Would you also fold T987 ds?
KingKongIgor Because of rake, at least. And T987ds is, like, literally a league above Tx9y8z7y. It's not an absurd fold, to my understanding.
I would squeeze the double-suited version. Single-suited this is trash. There is hardly any cold-calling in the CO at these stakes due to the high rake. It isn't very close either. Even KQJTss is a clear fold.
KQJTss to fold vs. a UTG raise and MP cold-call. Serious?
For me it is to tight. Perhaps vs. a 3-bet I would fold it.
If UTG has a high PFR(wide range) - I would KQJTss even 3-bet,...
Solver agrees with me. You underestimate the effect rake has at lower stakes. You need a pretty good reason to cold-call as opposed to folding or 3-betting.
These are terrible multiway hands. It really isn't close. K-high and Q-high hands are particularly bad as they don't block aces and are easily dominated. You should pretty much fold all single-suited hands to a raise unless you're on the button.
The solver doesn't squeeze a single unpaired, single-suited hand fwiw.
Hmmm, crazy, if I would play only AAxx hands, I would not win a lot.
On my limit you get call does not matter if somebody 3-bet, 4-bet etc. If you raise AAxx or strong hands the other players calls preflop and bet with any hit or draw postflop.
Which solver do u use? I read the donkr article and they wrote in terms of AQsKTo vs. AAxx:
EV (raised pot): +5.67 BB
EV (3-bet pot): -0.90 BB
EV (4-bet pot): -17.88 BB
http://en.donkr.com/Articles/plo-from-scratch---part-3-219
What kind of hands should somebody play in such situations, in your opinion?
Grunching.
Preflop: I don't really like this as a multiway hand. I don't love squeezing without better blockers... but I think this is a better 3bet than a call. But I think it's an underrated fold, tbh. More and more, I'm finding that single-suited middle rundowns are overrated. I'm not sure what the theoretically correct play is here, but my gut is fold >> 3bet >>>> call.
Flop, yeah just call. You don't want to strengthen your opponents' ranges here.
Turn is close between call and raise because it's increasingly hard for villain to call with worse.
Folding river doesn't make sense to me. The nuts haven't changed at all, and you have the third nuts, which you called on the turn already.
I'd really like for more people to see that—in my strong opinion—making "exploitative" plays is a deceptive phrasing. These spots are better characterized as "exploitable". Because, for example, if you fold this river, you are extremely exploitable to OOP triple barreling.
The third nuts in PLO is not always a slam-dunk call, but when it's not even a pot-sized bet, I think folding is way too tight in this situation. Villain has a natural cc bluff and worse Tx in their range.
FOLD PRE.
Wow, didn't expect this much discussion. It truly comes to me as a shock that we should fold preflop. I suppose the rake is often 'hidden' if that makes sense and I definately get carried away somtimes.
And I must agree with devwil about folding being a mistake.. It's more because of the feeling of running into AAxx all the time. I suppose PLO does not care about my feelings.
Is there any videos about the effect of rake on these low stakes games? I think my winrate might suffer alot because of this.
Can anyone suggest some general guidelines in regards of rake and preflop game?
Thanks for the discussion everyone.
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