plo 50, turn decision with top two

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plo 50, turn decision with top two

UTG: 49.75
HJ: 352.69
CO: 213.33
BN: 97.85 (Hero)
SB: 56.50
BB: 50.75
Preflop (0.75) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt K J A Q
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to 1.75, Hero calls 1.75, SB folds, BB folds
CO was playing 28/25/20 over 220 hands. This deep I 3b this quite often, so I guess I was probably timing out and had to click the call btn.
Flop (4.25) K A 4 (2 Players)
CO bets 2.12, Hero calls 2.12
Pretty standard imo, didn't see much of a reason to raise when we're this deep.
Turn (8.49) 2 (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero bets 6, CO raises to 26.49, Hero folds
At first I just didn't see enough bluffs in his range and thought he could play AA and 53 this way. However, this is a spot where my range is capped as well (I can't have AA, not many KK or 53 either) and he could be attacking on that too.

In game I folded because I didn't think an avg 50 euro reg will bluff like this when 200bb deep, but felt a bit dirty so decided to post this hand for quick sanity check.

Thoughts?
Final Pot
CO wins 39.96

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trondeez 11 years ago

I usually call when someone takes a strange line like this. I feel like half the time its bull shit and half the time it isn't. (Plus I am just soooooo curious!)

What is the game dynamic with this Villain? Are you stabbing when checked to a ton? Are you Lagging this table, etc? Could he be fed up with your constant pressure and maybe he is just taking a stand? 


midori 11 years ago

Not much ongoing dynamics up to this point.  I guess my stat was pretty much similar to his, except that my 3b was lower.  I have no reasons to think he was fed up with my pressure, but at the same time I have little reasons to believe he will play AA/AK/KK like this very often. 

His small flop sizing and x/pot on turn is just super weird, and I didn't really hate calling for that reason.. but problem is, our hand might not be strong enough to get it in 200bb deep with, in case he continues on the river (if he checks on the river I think I'll check back unless I boat up).

Does anyone think calling is reasonable?  Flop raise is too dicey, right?

Haru 11 years ago

well played. I don't expect most ppl bluff this way when there is no fd (and on this turn). I would 3bet this hand 200bb deep too.

Marlon177 11 years ago

i think villian is more likely having 35 than AA, because u block an ace too and that deep he would cbet with aces bigger imo

Marlon177 11 years ago


so Looks like a low rundown imo, and he would aa bet himself on the turn and with 35 he more likely going crazy

trondeez 11 years ago

Yeah, like I said above, I am calling here and evaluating rivers. This hand is just too strong to fold imo, and a river bet is not guaranteed by Villain. (plus you can always just river the nuts, bink!)  

I don't like a flop raise this deep.


All4Gambling 11 years ago

I think it's better pot preflop the agression is CO (good position=low hand) the both are deep and you have a premium I don't like call preflop now you don't know anything about the villan hand, and you are thinking about AA, KK, 35, AQJT or nothing this is the problem of call preflop. 

I prefer 3bet pre! and after is a diferent hand.

 It's very dificult put all your money with a good expectative if you don't do a big pot preflop it's like AK (NLholdem). 


Think about CO if I am CO and BU 3 bet me if I have AA I wanna play (4bet) with all the table but if BU 3 betme I have a ugly spot vs BU (deep) OP.

The most scary player for CO is BU you're BU with premium and deep. I would do POT!!!!


IMO

analihilator 11 years ago

if you're keen for value on the turn, why not raise flop. worst you will do is fold after putting another bet in, which is what you're doing here.

i would probably raise/fold flop here, fwiw

midori 11 years ago

IMO they are two different things, and I don't want him to fold AQ, Ax or KJT type of hands on flop, which he might (except for pair + KJT).

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