PLO 50 river play
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PLO 50 river play
SB: $145.83 (Hero)
BB: $15.05
CO: $50
BN: $52.55
BB: $15.05
CO: $50
BN: $52.55
Preflop
($1.25)
(4 Players)
Hero was dealt
T
J
Q
Q
CO raises to $1.50, BN folds, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1
CO raises to $1.50, BN folds, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1
Flop
($5.00)
6
2
J
(3 Players)
Hero checks,
BB checks,
CO bets $2,
Hero calls $2,
BB folds
Turn
($9.00)
6
2
J
K
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $8.12,
Hero calls $8.12
River
($25.24)
6
2
J
K
3
(2 Players)
Hero bets $16.50,
CO raises to $38.38, and is all in,
Hero folds
Final Pot
CO
wins $56.24
V is 45/15 (only 20 hands), no special reads. Would you bet river? I guess when I call turn I need to bet river to justify implied odds I take on turn. When he shoved it is never bluff imo (praticularly after his full pot bet on turn). Whats your play on turn?
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I would tend towards check raising turn. If I had a bigger sample to know he's nitty, c/c becomes fine
I c/c this river, leading this here is pretty bad for your overall range. If you lead, folding a J high flush to a raise seems insanely exploitative. I wouldn't lead this card to fold the toppity top of my range to a raise for this price against an unknown
Just to clarify the game theory idea about value bet/folding (see http://www.math.ucla.edu/~tom/papers/poker2.pdf for the math):
There is a range of hands, a little better than your c/c hands, but a little weaker than your bet-call hands, that should be used for value bet/folding. See page 16 of the doc linked above for a visualization.
This may seem a little odd at first (why b/f hands stronger than the ones you c/c?). It's because they pick up lots of value from getting called by worse (unlike the c/c hands), but they don't do well enough when raised (unlike the b/c hands).
Note that not having a value b/f range is exploitable, because 1) we pay off better hands too much by bet-calling them, or alternatively 2) we give Villain too many free showdowns with his bluffcatchers when we check them. So we should be willing to valuebet some hands, hoping to get called a lot, but folding to a raise.
So the theory goes, anyway. The question is then in which range this particular hand works best (per default). If we don't bet this, we can't bluff much either, and checking this hand doesn't seem quite right to me. But that's intuition, and I haven't done any math on it.
EDIT: Checking our range of course makes things simpler.ZenFish
Could you give some other materials, like this http://www.math.ucla.edu/~tom/papers/poker2.pdf.
"The Mathematics of Poker" would be a good book to study if you want to delve into GTO play.
If I don't extract value after I hit river, I don't think I have enough pot odds to c/c the turn. That's the reason I kind of have to value bet river and extract value. I believe he is bluffing basically never in this spot. Maybe should be betting smaller otr (like 50% of the pot).
Do you think that you have enough fold equity to justify turn c/r? My experience is that after potting the turn (combined with small flop bet) they rarely bet/fold.
Very tough one.
Obviously we want to know how often he has a madehand compared to missed spades. Also is he valuebetting every diamond flush on the river?
Also what is he valuebetting here? The thing is we are folding a lot because we pushing any set on the turn same with KJ. Also we raise some K6 on the flop. Which leaves us most of the time with missed spades or weak made hand type of hand. This is why he should bet river a lot here. i think checking river is best the more I think of it.
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