PLO 100 nut wrap with mid pair

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PLO 100 nut wrap with mid pair

BB: $89.56
UTG: $65.55
HJ: $96 (Hero)
CO: $81.11
BN: $150.35
SB: $119.80
UTG seems loose passive. 160 hands 64/3/1.
Sb is 54/4/0 with only 27 hands.
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt Q J T A
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, CO folds, BN folds, SB calls $4, BB folds, UTG calls $3.50
Flop ($14.50) 6 K J (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5, SB folds
Turn ($24.50) 6 K J 6 (2 Players)
UTG bets $11, Hero folds
Final Pot
UTG wins $23.40

I should have raised flop? call turn?

Thanks for your time!

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Fuchs314 10 years, 11 months ago

Everybody has wide range, UTG short. KK is the worst case but it happens so rarely, so I'd raise OTF

xpx 10 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for your input!

I was thinking to raise flop too, but I feel this is a great hand to invite sb to come along with a weaker draw since:

1.  We are in position in a 3 way pot.

2.  We have nut wrap with backdoor nut flush draw.

However, I am not sure if I made a mistake by folding turn.

Tom Coldwell 10 years, 11 months ago

I like the flop call 'cas whilst raising can do good things (picking up a pot), it can also have bad results (SB wakes up huge etc.) whereas calling with this draw can't ever be bad (to give a simplistic explanation). Also, what I give up with regards to taking the pot down now, I can probably reclaim later (his bet looks so weak that I basically assume I'm stealing the pot if I miss).

On the turn, folding is my least favourite play by far. Villain still looks weak as all hell so folding getting >3:1 is insane to me - I'd could see a call here with our draw and the price, but he still feels like he doesn't love his hand and effective stacks are such a nice size for applying pressure with a shove (imo).

xpx 10 years, 11 months ago

Tom - Really appreciate your time and input!

While I agree that his flop bet looks weak, I am not sure if he would have the same sizing with 2 pairs or set.

Yes, I was getting a really good price to call on the turn.  However, I was worried about not knowing what to do on many river cards.

Do I fold all bricks on river and only call when it comes 9, 10, J, Q or A?

Assuming villain does not have a boat on turn already (or does not boat up when we improve on river), we have 15 outs to improve on.

After reading your opinion on shoving turn, I feel like it is a very good play, as it put villain in a very tough spot if he does not have a boat or a 6.

How about a small raise on turn? Re-raising 11 to 26?  It should make my hand looks even stronger than a shove?

Even if he does call, it is very unlikely that he would bet the river after getting re-raised on the turn.

Thank you very much!

Tom Coldwell 10 years, 11 months ago
Not sure what the small raise achieves... It increases how often he calls (given I'm looking for folds, this is bad) and will leave us with a very awkward river spot if we miss and he checks. Stacks are such here that a shove isn't risking THAT much but it's still putting substantial pressure on, I would therefore not select a smaller bet with this hand (I would be fine with exploitatively raising smaller with a strong hand that we want max action with).


Fuchs314 10 years, 11 months ago

by the way i've done some simulations. trying to learn this programm with new PJ ranges. that's SB's range. Not sure I did it right


10% of his range is sets. it's unexpectedly for me


Sauce123 10 years, 11 months ago

I don't really know the answer here, but my advice is don't stress about it.  I think against weaker players your best play is to call and allow them to make bigger mistakes later on.  The problem with raising is that pretty much all of his marginal hands will be near indifferent between calling and folding, so you just end up making him play OK vs your actual hand. 

xpx 10 years, 11 months ago

Ben - Thanks for your time and advice!

I am really glad to hear that you agree with my flop call.

As played, would you consider calling turn since we were getting more than 3 to 1?

How about a small raise or shove on the turn?  It would be a very hard for him to continue without a strong hand.

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