Playing Micro's to build a foundation
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Playing Micro's to build a foundation
Is it actually advised to play the micro's to build a solid foundation.
I mean, it's hard to make plays because people call pretty light even though i (think i) make the right plays.
And then i notice i shut down the next time, because i fear they will call, even though i know they are weak.
When is it advised to kick it up a notch...
I take the 2NL mirco serioulsy even though it's penny play...
I want to learn from my mistakes the cheap way :)
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You're right to take it seriously at the micros, that's how you end up learning. You're also right to play low until you feel like you beat the games. The skills you learn are completely relevant at higher stakes as well, and you need then when you move up. The difference in skill requirements to win at 2 PLO compared to 20 PLO or 200 PLO are much smaller than people usually think.
What you're referring to here though, indicates that you're not ready to step up just yet. You need to figure out how to deal with people who call you light. At the micros people do this somewhat randomly and without much of a plan. At higher stakes people will do the same thing, but intentionally. What you call "the right plays" are probably not the right plays if it's not winning you chips.
As far as building from the micros... It's possible to do, and I've somewhat accidentally been through the process myself recently. But I would actually advice against it if you can avoid it, simply because the micros are such a rake trap. It is much more difficult than people think, and chances are that you beat the games but still just end up spinning your wheels and putting in far more effort than you should need to. So play low as a way of learning until you are very confident that you're winning. But then try to jump past as many levels as possible by depositing, that's what I would recommend.
This sounds like solid advice... It is a tough process and i started with a 50 buy-ins (100 $) and if i reach 250, then i guess it will be time to kick it up a notch to the 5nl.
I have some swings, but i guess that's PLO. Even though i come from NLHE and i have a hard time to believe people and call in spots where i actually should fold. I still draw out from time to time, actaully masking up my mistakes, because 'i won the hand' eventually.
In the overall i'm a slightly losing player and still have to figure out a great deal of stuff.
Thanx 4 the feedback... I'll keep to that
Also check out these threads:
Experiment: Starting with $100
Experiment: Starting with $1000
Experiment: Starting with $2500
Nice... I'll have to put my back in it..
Anyway. Since position and flop evaluation are more important then in NLHE, is it better to play Zoom then cash?
Are they? I've never really played NLHE seriously so I wouldn't really know. I could imagine there being a difference since holdem hands interact less with board textures, and hand values are more static than in PLO. Both of those effects would drive towards position and flop understanding being slightly less important. I guess the overbets tend to smooth out the positional differences as well. Maybe at one time you could get away with not worrying too much about it, but as the level of sophistication increases in holdem, I'd imagine the difference of these effects between the games would get smaller.
But I can't say that with much confidence. I've quantified these effects (and others) for PLO, but I've never done that for Holdem. It sounds like folklore though.
I fail to see how this makes for a meaningful difference between zoom and ring games though.
How can I pm u jonna102
Jonna is absolutely right. Every mistake that your opponents make is an opportunity for you to profit. Figuring out the best way to take advantage of their playstyle will exercise the same muscles that will help you play against tougher players.
Good luck!
Yes, playing the micros is a good way to build up your fundamentals. It is important to spend a lot of time away from the tables analyzing the situations you found yourself in and planning how you can better approach the situation next time.
Ability to read your opponents comes in time, just play frequently, study a lot away from tables and also analyze you hands afterwards. Soon you will figure it out, then you`ll know when its ok to valuebet your hands and when its not. GL!
Well... I do try. But yesterday i had a rough day.
I felt like got bluffed a lot, played weak and got a clouded judgement on many choises.
I played the dry ace bluff on a 3 club board and still got reraised even when no straight flush possible.
Wraps don't hit and when they do, i don't get payed off. My EV line in PT3 went up, but i got outdrawn in many spots. Looks like i'm whining here.
The last sessions i put down a 100 and tried the 50nl. Play was more relaxed, got to be a little more experimental and the plays seemed to work better in the higher limits. I got good aces 3x in preflop and lost all 3 times, so i ended up losing those 2 buy-ins. My mistake.
But got back to micro's just to see how people draw out with open enders. I read the Jeff Hwangs books, but i think that's to advanced for the µ's? can it?
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