PL25 Zoom: bottom sets on super drawy board 4way

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PL25 Zoom: bottom sets on super drawy board 4way

hand

villain 63/25 over 5 hands
CO 24/13 over 80 hands
rest unknown

Just wondering whether I can already fold this here given that I myself block two of my outs and there are two more players behind me on a super drawy board. How big is the difference to TT88 here?

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arukidinme 10 years, 3 months ago

Yeah pretty sad spot, we have only two nut outs, versus the nuts, and we block no clubs, Q, J, K so I feel like the pot can get out of control and quick. With TT88 I would be tempted to peel this bet but we still need to be cautious with two more players behind.

Ph33roX 10 years, 3 months ago

Folding TT88 to this small bet-sizing would be bad imo. There's a reasonable chance we have the best hand and we definitely have enough equity to continue against such a small bet.

I did a quick PPT sim to check how much equity we have against their preflop ranges. I assumed 20% ranges for MP and CO, and a 6% squeezing range for SB.


I think that with the hand we have here, it would have been a fairly straightforward fold if SB made a more standard cbet. With the cbet being as small as it is I think it's close. The times we get to see a turn we should be able to realize at least some of our equity. The bad news are that even if we remove KJ from SB's range, someone will have a straight 46% of the time. If we add some QQ+FD and strong draws like AKcc we can expect a raise behind us somewhat frequently. So I think against the small cbet we're looking at a pretty close spot but probably a fold.

Kingandtheduck 10 years, 3 months ago

too nitty to fold pre to 3b seeing as we have the worse relative position?

midori 10 years, 3 months ago

I think it's a reasonable option, but our particular hand doesn't depend a ton on position postflop, and it's not terribly likely that players behind us will wake up with a 4bet. So I think calling is better than folding, but I might be wrong.

RasBel 10 years, 3 months ago

Any one there can tell me how to use the range $fi20 and $3b6o in odds oracle, when i type that in i get error.

Ph33roX 10 years, 3 months ago

You need to first download the ranges into odds oracle. Try this link:

http://help.pokerjuice.com/hc/en-us/articles/201943998-Download-all-ranges

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