PL25 Z: wrap on 2flush board OOP

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PL25 Z: wrap on 2flush board OOP

BN: $23.05
SB: $43.86
BB: $33.07 (Hero)
UTG: $9.82
HJ: $40.82
CO: $27.81
45/45/3b 25
cbet: 2/2
11 hands
Preflop ($0.35) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt T A 6 Q
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $0.85, BN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $0.60
Flop ($1.80) 7 K J (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.72

What's your plan here vs someone who is likely to continue betting? How would you especially continue on a complete brick turn?

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lofigr 10 years, 11 months ago

Call flop and call brick turn for pot control in HU small SRP.

You dont accomplish anything by c/r flop, cause he is not calling you with some bad low hands on this flop. Same applies for Turn, particularly for brick Turn as then vs his K7,KJ and better you dont have any FE if you try to play creatively and c/r him OTT when he bets brick turn.

This spot is very simple in my opinion, on club/board pairing turn it's easy check fold in general.

Also, having Qc when club hits board OTT vs some players it can be check check OTT and you could lead blank rivers as your "planned c/r OTT failed" due to his check back club Turn.

It's up to you to assess type of oponent you play against and it's not irrelevant what image you created playing vs him.

ohgodwhy 10 years, 11 months ago

Would you also c/c a brick turn if he potted it? Cause vs his valuehands, I guess we have between 20 and 30 equity mostly and it will be tough to realize or equity when we make it on the river. Also some of our outs are teinted by clubs. I guess we have to lead the river if we make our str8 as people are constantly scared of the nuts. But this is very transparent, even to bad players.

arigold 10 years, 11 months ago

I think I fold flop. You only have 7 clean outs to the nuts and if u make ur straight on a clubcard we can still only C/C readless imo.

If you make ur straight cleanly but board pairs it will suck as well. You block 1 flushout which is obviously good and you could represent clubs on further streets. 

If we call here and turn is a brick i C/F turn. I'm leaning mostly towards C/F flop though. 


lofigr 10 years, 11 months ago

It isnt sin to fold flop, but just because its small pot I think I would call it for implied odds. Turn, well - you can fold it if he pots it, but in the case of his/her 50-70% pot bet I would lean to call it.

When I wrote: "I would c/c turn", it was more response to OP's Q:

What's your plan here vs someone who is likely to continue betting? 

...where I understood OP asked what's our plan as response to opponent's frequent c-betting.

As response I understood c/c vs c/r.

Extra reason for it would be my Qc where I could represent clubs OTR vs some players when my assessment of opponent's range is correct.

Also, I dont think Ac,Tc and 9c are necessarilly my opponent's outs, and btw it's not quite correct that we have only 7 clean outs (moreover we have at least i.e. minimum/precisely 10 "clean" NUT outs : 3 x 9, 2 x T, x Q, 2 x A; and if we add to that Ac,Tc and 9c => we might potentially have 13 outs).

Don't say it's reason to call opponent's bet on brick turn, but call also opens some possibilities for tricky c/r OTR when 9,T,Q,A:!c hits river (vs some players that might somehow value bet set here),

or some really small leading bet when we might be reraised  by some players holding sets/worse straights, no matter how this looks optimistic.


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