PL25: marginal 2way draw facing c/r deep
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PL25: marginal 2way draw facing c/r deep
CO seems loose/fishy over a tiny sample
SB unknown
I'm not sure if 3betting this is good. I'm having a tough time finding the good and enough spots to 3bet and felt like this hand might be good enough. Looking back it doesn't seem like that great of an idea though because I'll frequently have to maneuver marginal spots like these and will almost always end up 3way with a nun-nutty draw.
As played, I guess my hand is too weak to gii OTF for that much money?! However, calling also doesn't look that appealing because it somewhat tells him my hand strength and allows him to play very well on a lot of runouts.
Okish turn for me, at least as long as he checks to me. He doesn't oblige though and ships it in without much thought leaving me basically completely lost now. I don't see too many high flushes in his range because he probably doesn't raise them naked on the flop and it's tough for him to build many combodraws like that. Him showing up with a worse made hand or a stone cold bluff is probably way more unlikely than that.
How to play this better?
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Flat preflop.
But this hand also doesn't play that well in a single 3way raised pot, especially if we were in the SB, right? Would it be more of a squeeze if it was 8765$ds or if we were IP? Which hands of this sort do we squeeze here at all given that A766$ds has more nuttiness and therefore is more appealing to just flat? Sth like KJTT-J988?
Do you find that this hand plays better in a 3-way 3-bet pot than in a 3-way single raised pot? If so, then could you explain why?
No, not really. I wanted to argue that we clean up more of our outs by 3betting but this probably won't happen too often, especially not at micro stakes.
3betting would be fine, but this is a squeeze which totally changes the dynamic in the hand. You might want to squeeze this hand once in a while for randomization or something funky like that. I'm not sure what else you can do except fold or get it in on the flop since how can you play well on turns that don't give you straights? Seems like you'll make bad folds on board pairs, flush completes, and even total bricks if you were planning on folding unimproved. Bet/go with it on the flop or bet/fold after the squeeze pre but yeah flatting pre would've avoided the marginal spot for sure.
Just for notification, same question to you as to jonna ;)
And yeah, I agree that gii OTF is probably better than my line. I'm just wondering if it makes sense to mix in such plays at these stakes and in such a gigantic player pool just for balance/board coverage reasons. Probably not.
preflop,
3-betting this hand oop even against single opponent is not a good idea, u just bloating the pot with marginal hand. If you really want to 3bet do it with high card high suit type of hands that can dominate their gii range and can barrel if they call your cbet
flop,
in this particular situation I would just stack off
But problem with cbetting is that lot of the time one of them will call, and u gonna find yourself in difficult spot on most turns.
Thats why I prefer checking and see what they do, if mp bet and sb folds I would just raise and gii
Our hand doesn't play well at all if we check. This is a pretty easy c-bet for both our range and hand. On blank turns we can just barrel/stack off. Clubs are kind of tricky and probably the only bad ones, but it's not like we can play better on those by checking on flop.
But don't u think its better to check-raise than barrel?
Those are really good questions actually. For starters I think you're right and at these stakes + large player pool there's not a lot of value in finding some well balanced sneaky squeeze range here. You'll find yourself guessing post flop with hands that require solid reads to play this way and you also won't be able to build upon those reads and adjust like you would in a smaller player pool. So just squeezing standard, dominating hands (AKJT, KQJT, JT98, good AA/KK etc) and flatting the rest would be the way I attack this spot given the creative limitations of 25PL.
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