PL010 - Mid pair + oesd in 3b pot
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PL010 - Mid pair + oesd in 3b pot
HJ: 15.69
CO: 12.97 (Hero)
BN: 36.35
SB: 12.70
BB: 10.48
CO: 12.97 (Hero)
BN: 36.35
SB: 12.70
BB: 10.48
Preflop
(0.15)
(5 Players)
Hero was dealt
T
6
K
J
Hero raises to 0.35, BN folds, SB folds, BB raises to 1, Hero calls 0.65
Hero raises to 0.35, BN folds, SB folds, BB raises to 1, Hero calls 0.65
Villain is playing tight 18/12, 0% 3b (0/14) so far. I assume his range to be moslty AAxx here so I decided to call because of good pot & an okish double suited hand in position.
Flop
(2.15)
7
Q
J
(3 Players)
BB bets 1.40,
Hero calls 1.40
Playing with propokertools I have almost 53% equity on this board vs AAxx. But if we assume he's tight and we give him good side cards with his aces then it drops to ~ 40% equity.
If we think he 3b with hands like AKQJ, AKJT double suited, we're in bad bad shape (~30% equity)
So my question here, is it any merit to raise that flop ?
If we think he 3b with hands like AKQJ, AKJT double suited, we're in bad bad shape (~30% equity)
So my question here, is it any merit to raise that flop ?
Turn
(4.95)
7
Q
J
4
(3 Players)
BB bets 3.50,
Hero calls 3.50
As played I don't see the point in raising the turn
River
(11.95)
7
Q
J
4
T
(3 Players)
BB bets 4.58, and is all in
I now beat AAxx but not much more...
Hey guys,
Here is a HH I played without having a plan in mind so I was kinda lost althrough the hand :-)
comments on each street would be very much appreciate !
Thx
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Hi
first of all, looking to what you said OTF "but if we assume he is tight and.... good cards"
if you have this read about him you have to fold you're hand !
basicly in this spot, you find a "good" flop and you didn't move hoping he'll check on next streets ?
i don't really like this way to play :" i'm in position, i call and let's see"
obvsiouly i use words u didn't used but i have this feeling looking to your comments (no offense bro)
if we assume his range is AA** this flop is typicaly a very nice one to raise his cbet.
we have here : equity + fold equity (maybe) !
OTF you need ~45% of equity to stack off and if we give him a strong range (pokerjuice style ranges) aa:k9+,aa:(ss,dd,cc) you have 49%.
if he's really tight he could folds on a raise here. his sizing is not pretty big and we can think he made it because he 3bet preflop and he's Oop.
when you'r peeling here, your hands smells as a draw and maybe what you have : pair + draw !
thinking this the turn is a really good card to bet again ! this card is better to villain's range than for yours !
then :
in this flop you have : middle pair/OESD & 2 backdoors flushes
=> you came on this spot to find THIS flop !
but if the turn comes 2 of heart, your equity will down and we don't want to play/stay in game with less equity.
calling => wich cards are you waiting for OTT ?
raising this flop you increase poentially your ev !
if he folds you win : pot*p(folds)
then if he folds 10% of the time your EVfold is 3.45$
and if he pushes (hard to think he just calls a raise regarding to stack sizes) you only make a classis ev calculation.
for the "global" situation you can do (assuming he will folds 10 percent of the time) :
evfold+(classical EV*(1-p(folds)
pot*0.1+(evwhen he pushes)*(1-0.1)
never underestimate our FE or think we have no FE.
as played OTF, for me we have to push or fold OTT = calling here to folds river versus a shove with near to 1:4 is dramatic.
i share you on the link below a pokerjuice simulation and you'll see on the range distribution part giving to villain strong hands "how often" he have AA and other hands
for me it's a raise/call on the flop and if not, we have to choose OTT but calling is near to the worst we can do i think
pokerjuice simulation
Hey Angus and thx for your comment.
First off you were right about my thinking of this hand, I called flop to reevaluate on the turn so I'm not offensed :-)
As you can see I'm a bit confused atm with calculating equity in PLO so I'm not taking good decision & I found mylself playing weird lines...
Speaking of that, I see you guys using pokerjuice, what are the differences between PPT & PJ ? which one is best to use ?
Hi Exil97
typically pokerjuice can make same things as ptools but lot more.
it's very more useful to think scenarios that is something hard to do only with propokertools.
it's more accurate and simple to use with the "inteligent syntax" and the integrated modules are helpful in a lot of situation.
honestly using pokerjuice will increase our compréhension of the game and it will hard to come back to another software.
ranges distribution
bluff catching
ev on 4bet spots and lot more
you can test it downloading on the website : http://pokerjuice.com/ with a 7 days trial
you need odds oracle installed on your computer to use pokerjuice.
you can also download a trial on the propokertools website
wish you some good work ;)
Surely you should be folding pre....nothing wrong with raising a tight player at all - just fold when he plays back at you....
Folding this pre would be pretty bad.
i think the best argument for shoving flop is that
1) we cant expect too much implied on our str8 outs (except the A....if he has a set)
2) our 2p outs are dirty = lot of opps will just x-f OP or even 2p :O on a turn A/K/T but us folding may be a mistake in case our villain uses AA/KK as blockers.
doubt id fold this pre ip, him being tight is not the major factor here. OOP we should be tighter pre with parts of our range (Axx and pairs) but IP with a smooth hand i doubt this is ever a fold in a heads up pot.
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