OP in 3bet Pot on low paired flop
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OP in 3bet Pot on low paired flop
Hey guys,
last time in my thread I had this hand as a 2nd one posted but since nobody replied I seperate it in an own thread.
Prima, $0.10/$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $14.55 (72.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $20 (100 bb)
MP: $17.32 (86.6 bb)
CO: $22.98 (114.9 bb)
BTN: $48.61 (243.1 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
K
7 4
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.60, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.40, BTN calls $1.80, SB calls $1.80
Flop: ($7.20) 3 2 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero ???
I thought that villains don't hold many 3s but actually I think this is false assumption. In fact, there are many A3**:xx combos I guess.
Yesterday I had a similar situation with Aces on a T3Tds flop and villain shoved JJ83 with fd. the difference besides players was that it was HU. So my actual idea on those flops are to b/f 3way, b/c HU, as long as I don't have any reads.
What do you guys think?
Regards
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Why are you 3betting pre? Your hand plays well multiway deepstacked, and if you just flat you'll have good relative position vs likely postflop aggressor, 3betting pretty much always goes 3 ways in this spot and then you're left with a naked overpair multiway a high % of the time and get into awkward spots like this, and significantly lower implied odds when you do hit due to reduced SPR
The more I think about it the more I guess you're right. The only reason I see is that sometimes I see players pumping hands like KT76ds all in preflop multiway. I don't remember any read on specific villains though.
Nevertheless, I could be in same spots with AKKQ:ccdd, the problem would be the same.
Agree just a flat pre, that being said..
I'm not extremely familiar with pro poker tools, but in your link, It looks like you are comparing KK74 to all combinations that you listed for villain. This will only give you your equity against those hands, it doesn't reflect how often villain will actually have those hands.
We can find how often villain will have a 3 on this board using PJ
(you can also do this with PPT but I don't know how)
Let's say that BTN is opening 60% and we exclude the top 2% because he didn't 4bet us.
I gave the small blind 30%, not sure if this is right?
On this flop, we will have 45% equity on average.
Someone will have trips or better a bit under 12% of the time, and we will mostly be up against air, flush draws, some gutters+, and aces that can draw to an overpair.
Against players who you do not to get out of line on boards like this, I like to go with a small bet sizing for protection and value from draws.This also allows bluffs to be a lot cheaper and more credible on other boards with this texture.
I would bet bigger here if players in your pool are more likely to chase draws in 3bet pots.
I would be interested to hear what other people do on these boards though. I think that if they hadn't both just called the 3bet pre and it was just a single raised pot it's just a c/c?
Hi tofurocks,
thanks for the PJ report. Again this tells me that it should be profitable overall to cbet those boards in 3bet pots because most of the times we take the pot down on flop.
On a raise we can GII because we get ~30% vs estimated brokerange of a villain.
I hope your %-based handranges are reasonable because I can hardly iamgine such a 30%-range in omaha (yet) :)
Regards
Easy pot call after you 3bet. There are basically 0 trips in any of your ranges and villain doesnt have aaxx also.
Hi Disharmonist,
You don't think that people on plo20 tend to r/c A532ss type of hands often preflop? Ingame I had same exactly thoughts as you!
I've split the estimated range in PPT, please have a look:
http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/count?g=oh&h1=As%2As%2A%2A%2C+456%2A&h2=A3%2A%2A%3Axx&s=generic
In 50% of times we run into trips. Far away from "basically 0". If you estimate other anverage broking ranges in lowstakes plo, please share with us.
Regards
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