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nutFD+2ndpair vs minraise

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nutFD+2ndpair vs minraise

HJ: $13.57
CO: $25
BN: $33.68 (Hero)
SB: $31.98
BB: $7.32
Preflop ($0.35) (5 Players)
Hero was dealt A T T 7
HJ calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.10, SB folds, BB folds, HJ calls $0.85
Flop ($2.55) Q 4 5 (2 Players)
HJ checks, Hero bets $2, HJ raises to $4.75, Hero calls $2.75
Turn ($12.05) Q 4 5 Q (2 Players)
HJ bets $7.72, and is all in, Hero calls $7.72
River ($27.49) Q 4 5 Q 4 (2 Players)
just 18 hands - 50\33\33, 71\100 (flop\turn) aggr

while playing thought the line could be ok, but giving him like 678,ksQJs,44,ks5s - its sucks.

are you shoving flop?
as played - turn - call?

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Tom Coldwell 12 years, 1 month ago
If you're calling the worst turn in the deck, I don't see why you didn't jam flop. In fact, given villain's relatively small stack, I would have just moved in on the flop and run it.
JimmyGlass 12 years, 1 month ago
thats what i wanted to argue - Q could be far not bad for us.
lets assume he is agrressive and gonna raise a lot draws on the flop. all of them he shoves - on ANY turn.
in this way our equity goes up OTT, as Q or low sets are NOT the most part of his range.
*that just the way i was thinking while playing hand, and wanted to check if logic is correct
still shoving the flop vs aggressive one is probably better
Tom Coldwell 12 years, 1 month ago
A Q is pretty awful for you 'cas now all his made hands have you drawing at two outs or dead whereas his draws still have most, if not all of their outs versus you. If you think he has loads of draws with his flop raise, it's the easiest jam in the world 'cas you beat so many of them w/ the nut flush draw and TT so you wanna get your stack in good.

Furthermore, it's not like you're calling to fold the 3c, so the fact that on some turns you're a bigger favourite becomes irrelevant if you're still stacking off the ones you are a significant dog on. You call in spots like this because you think you can outplay villain later on, either by forcing him to make a big mistake or by being able to limit your losses on the worst runouts In reality, you're calling to call every turn which is the same as shoving, but without fold equity. You're not strong enough that fold equity isn't something worth having (ie you're not trapping), so might as well shove flop and give him a chance to misclick.
Lenny Seward 12 years, 1 month ago
You might want to consider putting this hand in your check flop range vs. aggressive opponents at 100+ bbs. Versus a short stack, I'd just B/C AI OTF. He can have hands that you are in great shape against (876ss, Ks76:ss, etc).
Tom Coldwell 12 years, 1 month ago
I think adding this to our checking behind range is often pretty good advice against some villains - we would hate to get check/raised huge w/ a decent amount to play. However, given it's 25PLO and people aren't that aggressive, my standard would often be to c-bet here so that I can maintain control of the pot.

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