Marginal Flop Spot After 3betting

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Marginal Flop Spot After 3betting

BN: $146.24
SB: $54.43
BB: $50 (Hero)
UTG: $51.06
HJ: $76.69
CO: $50.25
Villain is a 26/14 reg, opening HJ 25%. Fold to cbet in 3bp 12/21.
Preflop ($0.75) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt K A J 8
UTG folds, HJ raises to $1.50, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $4.75, HJ calls $3.25
Flop ($10.25) Q 5 J (2 Players)
If we bet, we have to bet/fold. Do we have enough FE here vs a 25% range? Is it a decent hand for our bet/folding range here?

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spassewr 10 years, 7 months ago

we prob dont have enough feq for a bet to be immed profitable.

he will have a standard raise range on this flop 28% of the time (not even counting Q+fd/KK+FD,OE+fd).

a somewhat standard and perhaps even too tight peeling range 39% of the time.

we have about 30% feq perhaps, so a small bet may be in order, unless that widens his call/jam range.

with a pair+2overs+GS we dont need our bet to have imm feq to be prof so history/dynamic and post flop reads would make my decision here. we def cant go wrong with a x-f here, but a smallish bet is prob ok too.

i think the only thing i wouldnt wanna do is bet big (unless hes a compl nit)


midori 10 years, 7 months ago

I agree with this.  

On QJ5hh flop 3bettor should have a slight equity advantage, and the board is wet enough that if he flats your c-bet his range is capped to mostly 1p and draws, which you can sometimes use to your advantage.  That said, I'd bet/fold this hand rather than x/f, and because we have quite a few hands that we'd like to bet/fold, I wouldn't bet very big.  I don't think we will be exploited by doing this, because we can also bet small with strong hands that we want to stack off on flop.

themightyjim 10 years, 7 months ago
yeah a small bet is good as long as you make sure that you have plenty of strong hands in your range (big draws and made hands) for doing this.  If that range is hard to construct along with a decent checking and larger betting range then it's certainly ok to just add this to your checking range expecting that you can call a street and fold lots of turns unimproved.  Villain is also going to check back lots of stuff and let you get a free turn card and get a better handle on his range.  Make sure to include some strong hands in your checking range as well like combo draws that can xjam, some bare sets or two pair hands.


mvppt 10 years, 7 months ago

Here on this spot i would x/f or b/f depending on the reads you have on the villain, i would not x/c because the turn will be very hard to play unless we get the 3T that don't complete the hearts flush.

This is a mistake that i've been doing a lot, my study yesterday was basically reviewing this spots from my HM, and it is ridiculous the amount of money i lost x/c this kind of spots.

Simon Ash 10 years, 7 months ago

hate life as all these cards complete all manner of straight draws that villain has in his range...I agree with others that b/f flop is probably best option, you 3 bet oop and so rep pretty strong ;if he can raise you on this board I think you should just give it up..

Cthulu23 10 years, 7 months ago

2 backdoor flushes for c/c, lead 9 T K A if bd flushdraw hits, lead 9 and A w/o the backdoor flush. Bet call with the bfdraw on A/K bet fold the other one. We've got 34% against straight with 2 pair fdraw + gutshot ott.


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