low premium rundowns preflop

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low premium rundowns preflop

I just saw Galfond fold 9875ss UTG in a RIO video cause he said it's "a little too loose to open UTG". Wtf? Isn't this a premium rundown since there's just a single gap at the bottom? I thought all premium and speculative rundowns can be opened from any position as long as they're single suited or better. I guess hands like 8743ss or 5432ss are snap folds UTG? Thought I was being nitty with my 11-12% UTG RFI but wow...

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ploomg 9 years, 5 months ago

Well, you are not pushing equity edge for sure, cause vs 30% range you are about 40/60. Also low rundowns playability is not that good actually, especially OOP. Fe.,if you hit 2 pair, it`s very vulnerable hand (compared to high 2 pairs). And with low str8/flush draw you are often dominated.

The main reason to play those hands is to protect your range and against opponents, who like to attack small boards, you can get into very profitable spots. But as said before, the raw equity and playability of those hands is not as good, as many ppl think.

I would still probably open 9875, but definitely fold 8743 and 5432.

unbuwoha 9 years, 5 months ago

Premium rundown always starts at double suited :-) There is a difference between 9875:xxxy and 9875:xxyz. Opening this hand depends more if you can expect a multiway pot or not. There is no need to protect your range in a 4way pot, since little bluffing is going on. I like this hand though and would open it UTG if I can get it to play HU often.

AceKingSuited18 9 years, 5 months ago

So I guess with hands like these we are looking for a ten high flop or lower? Basically other flops our equity sucks because a second high card ruins our hand? Like a J65 flop four way when a Q K A or even T ruins our hand, and also obviously the board pairing.

Btw JT98ss is not premium? How much does a jack or nine high flush draw matter anyways UTG?

unbuwoha 9 years, 5 months ago

Again, it is more about if you can get this hand HU. Then you have more options to win the hand than just relying on the hand strength. I would fold this hand if you will end up in a multiway pot oop frequently.

"Btw JT98ss is not premium? " - Well, it makes sense to call the ds versions "premium" and use another word for the ss versions.

Disharmonist 9 years, 5 months ago

You flop low 2 pair, low flushdraws, trips with weak kicker, also some bottom wraps or straights, which look very pretty and your are incentiviced to put a lot of money in with 2nd best. You are more likely to get 3bet, and the boards you hit very well your opponent doesnt hit so much.

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