LIVE PLO - 1/2/5 PLO - Heavy Action 7-way with Top Two Pair
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LIVE PLO - 1/2/5 PLO - Heavy Action 7-way with Top Two Pair
9-handed:
BB - $750
UTG+1 - $2000 - 25% opening range ish in hand I believe. New to PLO. Regular in NLH games
UTG+2 - $600 - Splashy fish, very station'y, bets too wide multi-way with non nut draws
UTG+3 - $350 - Loose passive fish
LJ - Hero - $1000 - As Qd 8s 4c
CO - $700 - Passive Fish
BTN - $1000 - Aggressive Fish
SB - $320 - Splashy Fish - Probably about a 60% VPIP range
Preflop:
BB limps, UTG+1 raises to $20, UTG+2 calls, UTG+3 calls, Hero calls, Btn calls, SB calls, BB calls
Flop: (~$140): Qc 8h 6c
UTG+2 bets $75, UTG+3 calls, Hero calls, SB goes all-in for $245, UTG+2 calls $170, UTG+3 calls $170, Hero???
Preflop:
First off, because of this situation, it makes me question whether I should be calling this hand preflop or folding. I am deep with some pretty big fish that certainly stack off light with non-nut combo flush draws on the flop, so in hand, I am calling to basically try and get that situation multi-way, but I'm not sure if that will happen often enough it is worth calling. Reason being is because the other times, with more people in the pot, it seems like my hand becomes worse and worse for its other components because if I stack off on the flop like this one with top two pair, I can easily run into a set or the same hand, but a redraw. But it is possible to especially stack some of the shorter players when they have a hand like Q5xxx on Q85 and I have the AQ84:Ass. Seems close. What are you guy's thoughts?
Flop:
After a bet and a call 7-way, I'm very hesitant to pot/stack off multi-way with no re-draw. I know my all-in equity multi-way here won't be too great. My idea here is to call with pot odds and look for a safe turn, then go all-in. So I call and the SB shoves, and gets two calls. I know my equity here is already not that great, but with the shove, I feel a bit concerned now I could be potentially drawing dead or facing the same hand with a redraw. Or maybe he has a hand like Q6:cc/T97:cc/Acc ect...So very unsure weather I should be committing another $245 here, just folding, or pot shoving guessing that the other two guys that just called probably don't have a better made hand than Q8, but with a 3-way all-in, my equity can probably still not be too great here I'm guessing.
Idk guys. What do you think?
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I think you nailed it with the preflop thoughts. The main strength of this hand is the nut flush potential. While that is a strong component, multiway it won't make up for the rest of the hand being disconnected. This flop is a prime example.
Lets say you have AQ8x
x = K - improve to better two pair
x = J, 10, 9 - improve to better two pair + straight blockers + backdoor straight draws
x = 7 - straight blocker
x = 6-2 = Fold Pre
This additional equity will be what we need to continue in a ton of multiway spots.
Lets consider turn cards
Qc 8h 6c
Any club = shutting down
J, 10, 9, 7, 5, 4 = straight cards. You have to completely shut down on most of those.
K = worry about better two pair
A = top two pair, but have to worry about nearly every single non-board pair card making some straight or flush on river
3, 2 = Only real blanks. Get the money in and hopefully not be up against a set.
Q, 8 = boat
The spot we created is one where we get amazing odds to call closing the action. Something around 5.5:1. It seems unreasonable about folding here because of all the potential draws that are out there. Given the SB is a splashy fish, he will jam a lot of weaker draws, pair+weak clubs or weak straight draws.
As played, I call the $170 more and see the turn and make the decision there. I avoid this whole situation entirely by folding the flop.
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