KK82ds vs sqz
Posted by JimmyGlass
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Low Stakes
KK82ds vs sqz
HJ: $37.35
CO: $25.87 (Hero)
BN: $60.73
SB: $26.86
BB: $18.02
UTG: $25
CO: $25.87 (Hero)
BN: $60.73
SB: $26.86
BB: $18.02
UTG: $25
Preflop
($0.35)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
K
2
K
8
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to $0.85, BN calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB raises to $4.25
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to $0.85, BN calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB raises to $4.25
Hero??
(bu 43\26, sb 70\13) bb 38\8 w 3bet 2.6 over 2.6k hands
4betting vs BB's range even with dead money is suicide, even having AKKxds i guess...
but calling for 4way pot - is it better idea? K-high FD is more then ok vs this guys but 4way we will run into sets\better fd quite often...
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You can fold it. 82 is not connected at all, you just play FDs and set, and someone after you can 4Bet.
I'd fold too. His stats shows that he is a loose-passive player and if we assign a legitimate 3betting range for him with AA** plus some broadway rundowns (hands like AKQJ, KQJT, AKQT, AKJT and AQJT) we have a little more than 30% equity and our hand doesn't flop very well.
thanks both, it would add some confidence =)
I don't think I would have folded here. Being double-suited makes this hand pretty strong for low SPR situations, especially when we can expect villain to have AA a lot of the time. The two villains behind who can also call or jam complicate things slightly, but they also give us a better price. I think this fold is probably a small mistake.
My thoughts on this. BB may 3bet even tighter with 3 villains already in the pot. We block a loose passive guy's 2nd most likely 3bet hand, so we can assume we are up against AA almost exclusively and neglect rare exceptions.
If it goes HU: BB has no full stack. SPR will be 1.3, we need 36% equity on average every time. We like to stack off any set/2P or OP+FD on a non Ace board and any flush. On a Qh6h5s board for example we have 37% equity with OP+FD, so lets assume it would be EV neutral. I used PPTOO Interactive hand stats feature to see how often we flop sth. nice some time ago for KK83ds. Removing Ace high Flops except for the flush we hit the board around 33% of the time. Having a (+EV) set/2P approx. 12% and flush+ 3%. The remaining 18% would be EV neutral. So we have to fold approx. 67% of missed Flops but only have 15% of made hand Flops and whatever equity we have than (I would guess maybe 70-75%) to make up for the folds. Sounds pretty marginal to me. Think SPR is too low to have a profitable preflop call.
If it goes 4way: SPR=0.8..1.3, we can expect BB to cbet push most boards. Played a little bit with PPT. Villains A:AA B:45%6h!AA C:75%6h!AA hero:KK82:hhdd. Our preflop equity vs ABC is 22%. On Qh6h5s there is a 25% chance one villain has hAh (NFD). On KcQd7s there is a 13% chance at least one villain matches (QQ,77) and a 22% chance at least one villain matches (QQ,77,KQ,K7). My guess is when we have OP+FD and nobody has hAh we can get our money in at least EV neutral or a little bit +EV. We get our money in almost drawing dead if someone has hAh which happens a quarter of the time. The ds element of our hand which makes it a very strong hand HU also gives a lot of reverse implied odds (lol RIO) multiway. It seems sick, but it may be correct to fold OP+FD OTF. We hit our set on a non Ace Flop approx. 10% of the time and should have good equity. Set over setting/2Pairing someone makes us a lot of money but it happens not too often overall (like every 50 preflop calls). The times we get paid off from bottom 2P should balance the times we pay off a better hand when having bottom 2P on a dry board ourselves. Another thing is we have the worst relative position and might scare away a hand we have in bad shape + we can only guess if someone else might have hit hard. Therefore I would fold pre.
However I would probably call mw if I had best relative position to almost exclusively set/trips mine.
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