Is there any program like Flopzilla for PLO ? Also need advice on short stack PLO.
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Is there any program like Flopzilla for PLO ? Also need advice on short stack PLO.
Is there any program like Flopzilla for PLO ? Also need advice on short stack PLO.
Is there any PLO program like Flopzilla, where I can see the percentage of different hand strength I can flop with different hands. For example, if I have JT87ccdd. It can tell me what percentage I can flop a wrap, what percentage I can flop two pair plus straight draw, and what percentage I can flop flush draw straight draw ?
I’m new to PLO, and there are very aggressive action preflop in my game. Knowing how often I can flop enough equity to go with my hand really helps to make those preflop decision. For example, the game is 5/5 but people often straddle for 50-100 a hand and everyone has like 500-3000. People often just go ape shit preflop, like couple people calls 75, then one guy pot it to 400ish, then it goes call call call. And there is often one pot size bet, or 1.5 pot size bet on flop. Any advice on how to play this game would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks guys.
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"Is there any program like Flopzilla for PLO ?"
No. The closest thing you will find is the Range Distribution module in PokerJuice. Though if I'm reading the context of the rest of your post correctly, it will suffice for you to have just Odds Oracle (OO). Further, many of the things you'll want to be studying for the game you are playing in can be done with the free online version at propokertools.com
"Is there any PLO program like Flopzilla, where I can see the percentage of different hand strength I can flop with different hands."
You can do this in OO using the interactive hand stats module. It will work for individual hands averaged across all flops. Individual hands on specific flops. Ranges on specific flops. And ranges averaged across all flops.
"For example, if I have JT87ccdd. It can tell me what percentage I can flop a wrap, what percentage I can flop two pair plus straight draw, and what percentage I can flop flush draw straight draw ? "
You can rough outputs, like this:
100.0000% of hands selected
38.9120% NOTHING
4.6219% THIRDPAIR
21.0122% SECONDPAIR
15.6032% TOPPAIR
3.7131% BOTTOMTWO
6.8308% TOPTWO
2.4915% TRIPS
4.2660% STRAIGHT
1.8796% FLUSH
0.6213% FULLHOUSE
0.0238% QUADS
0.0246% STRAIGHTFLUSH
Or you can refine it more:
5.6621% TOPTWO | NOT NUTS | NO FLUSH DRAW | STRAIGHT OUTS: 1-4
1.1688% TOPTWO | NOT NUTS | FLUSH DRAW | STRAIGHT OUTS: 1-4
1.5017% TRIPS | NOT NUTS | NO FLUSH DRAW | STRAIGHT OUTS: 0
0.4581% TRIPS | NOT NUTS | NO FLUSH DRAW | STRAIGHT OUTS: 1-4
0.1136% TRIPS | NOT NUTS | NO FLUSH DRAW | STRAIGHT OUTS: 5-8
0.3048% TRIPS | NOT NUTS | FLUSH DRAW | STRAIGHT OUTS: 0
0.0905% TRIPS | NOT NUTS | FLUSH DRAW | STRAIGHT OUTS: 1-4
0.0228% TRIPS | NOT NUTS | FLUSH DRAW | STRAIGHT OUTS: 5-8
1.0535% STRAIGHT | NOT NUTS | NO FLUSH DRAW | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
0.2378% STRAIGHT | NOT NUTS | FLUSH DRAW | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
2.1973% STRAIGHT | NUTS | NO FLUSH DRAW | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
0.7773% STRAIGHT | NUTS | FLUSH DRAW | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
1.8743% FLUSH | NOT NUTS | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT FLUSH | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
0.0053% FLUSH | NUTS | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT FLUSH | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
0.3098% FULLHOUSE | NOT NUTS | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT FLUSH | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
0.3115% FULLHOUSE | NUTS | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT FLUSH | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
0.0238% QUADS | NUTS | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT FLUSH | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
0.0246% STRAIGHTFLUSH | NUTS | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT FLUSH | ALREADY HAVE/BEAT STRAIGHT
(full output not pasted here, but you get the idea, eh?)
"I’m new to PLO, and there are very aggressive action preflop in my game. Knowing how often I can flop enough equity to go with my hand really helps to make those preflop decision. "
While the above OO outputs will help you make some decisions it really is overkill if this quote is at the heart of the matter. For this you will want to do a lot of work with equity distributions vs. various ranges. For that you can use the graph function on propokertools.com (or it is also, of course, available within OO). (note that with some experience you can decipher from the graph the most relevant bits of the detailed outputs above since you'll know roughly how much equity each subcategory from above gives you in the hand.)
LMK if you're not familiar with this and I'll try to post an example. I've tried just now but not having an easy time posting images or screenshots here on my mac.
In games like you describe you're going to want to become very familiar with equities of various hands vs. multiplayer ranges.
You will want to get value when you can preflop by pushing multiway equity, with the caveat that your spr will be small enough to stack off on enough flops so that you won't be folding your equity too often (this is where you knowledge of the graph is handy). This is going to be with high equity hands that have smooth equity distributions.
You'll also want to get involved pre if you have implied odds (high enough spr) with a polar equity distribution so you can stack off on flops that hit you hard (think KKxx)
It will be critical for you to not get into spots where you will be forced to fold your equity post flop so build pots bigger when you're pushing an equity edge and keep spr smaller (slightly smaller i guess since you're kinda short to begin with) with hands that flop monsters on a few flops.
There will probably be a lot of concepts you'll find useful in this article series. I know it helped me when I was first playing live PLO.
http://en.donkr.com/Articles/Category/PLO-from-scratch!-14
Thank you so so so much for the advice. I'm gonna go check out OO and propokertool. And also dive in the articles in your link. Again, thank you very much.
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