If I were him, should I fold to this 4bet with 100bb stacks?
Posted by Andreas Fröhli
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Andreas Fröhli
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If I were him, should I fold to this 4bet with 100bb stacks?
http://weaktight.com/5813823
There is a bit more to say on this opponent: He's playing 25/21/20/20 (3bets oop +3bets IP are 20%!!!)
I adjusted my 4betting a little bit and have not only AA** there. However, because we're this deep, I cut out some KK** combos which I used to 3bet against him a bit less deep.
So the question, should he fold his strong hand preflop versus AA** or is he often enough catching a set?
-->I guess yes, but what about 100bb stacks? (less implied odds)
This is the kind of hand (in his position) I'm the least sure how to play. I usually call good double pairs vs 4bet, call almost any4ds , fold big pairs like KK**.
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This hand is a pretty easy call against a 4-bet imo, even 100bbs deep against as large a 4-bet as the one you made (my simulation suggests he should get about a $1 return on his call). Therefore, with stacks as deep as they were in this hand, a fold would have been absolutely horrendous on his part. If you're interested in working out how to check this sort of spot, I made a video about it a few weeks ago which may help you: Calling 4-bets
Lol i gotto ask, this hand is bothering me since you posted answer
I m not great at math as you know, so im always looking for shortcuts ( as in memorising major equities, ev etc )
I was reading long math analysis of different hands versus AA 4 bets, and isnot i can retell you whats said in analysis, but can tell you general results, and those were that KK hands do worst versus AA hands, and were unadvised to play as in general EV minus in 4 bets
This hand in particular, double paired 1 suit is one of better kings hands, and even with your math im sure u did well, is off what you said EV plus 1 dollar, which kinda make me think isnt it quiet marginal EV call ?
his 4bet video is on PLO100, therefore compare it to +4$ hands there
KK hands are -EV in general, but as you add suits, connectivity and/or another pair, some of the KK hands can become +EV. This hand has both double suits, connectivity and another pair, so it's one of the best KK hands you can have. There are worse KK hands that are still +EV, but when you get down to disconnected KK with just one suit then yes, it's clearly -EV against AA.
He has almost 40% equity against AA**, if you add more hands he can certainly call. Also he can safely fold on naked Axx flops plus he is going to stack aces often when he has them dead.
ok wanted to be sure :) cause i kinda am memorizing ev;s
He makes around 4bb's (at 100bb stacks) with his call assuming he plays perfectly on the flop. And that's a good thing about these hands, they are pretty easy to play on the flop. Of course you'll sometimes run into a bigger flush, but that's a cooler in those spots.
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