I dont like calling flop at all, too many turns to guess on. the thought of folding crossed my mind but BB is pretty active, probably a little spewy as he just lost a big hand to BTN so I just assumed their ranges could be wider in this spot. raise or fold, once BU calls I should be folding here as if I am ahead, its not by much and if im behind he could likely be holding a blocker or two as well as having me beat. (678x,679x)

what is this "visibility" you speak of? ive read it in a few posts, is there a video I should watch in the library?

leadnuts Re: "visibility", yeah it's weird how it's a very common term but I have no idea where to point to for an original definition. Either way, it refers to your ability to "know where you're at", in older terminology. A high-visibility situation is one in which you know with a great deal of confidence whether or not you have the best hand (or enough equity to continue/etc).

For visibility in PLO in particular, this video may be a good one to watch: https://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/3betting-with-visibility/

There may be better "visibility" resources I'm not aware of, but the above should help.

Anyway: if you don't want to call this flop and try to fill up (hopefully not against quads or a better FH), I think you should fold it. You're value-eviscerating yourself too often by raising, imo.

why?

leadnuts Because plolearnerguy advocates very tight play and seems to never explain their recommended lines. (Calling you out for sure, plolearnerguy, but only because—as you can see—blurting out "fold pre" is really not very edifying for someone to read.)

That said, folding this preflop isn't horribly terribly awfully tight.

Being in the small blind, you're going to be out of position 100% of the time against 100% of the table, so it tends to be a position where you want to play pretty tight preflop when someone else has already VPIP'd.

Being out of position with this combo, you'll often run into situations exactly like what happened: you flop well-ish but—being out of position—your visibility issues and inability to control the pot (that's the in-position player's privilege) make this a very difficult hand to navigate.

Now with that being said, I think that you can VPIP suited ace hands profitably at a pretty high frequency at these stakes nearly regardless of position (nearly... don't go opening trashy Ax*x hands UTG imo), as flush-over-flushing players can make you a lot of money.

But the medium pair you've got here is not a major feature, and if you're going to be committing a lot of chips with a quite non-nut set and no flush possibilities postflop, this may be a combo that you should fold preflop due to the reverse implied odds.

To put it another way: the flop that came just isn't really the one you're looking for with this hand, and the truly good flops are uncommon enough that this hand isn't a mandatory VPIP in the SB.