HUPLO - Splitting Turn Value Range Into Two Bet Sizes
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HUPLO - Splitting Turn Value Range Into Two Bet Sizes
I was sifting through some hands on HSDB and stumbled across an hand that our very own Mr Lefort recently played. The hand is standard on the surface, but villain's turn sizing is really interesting to me.
http://www.highstakesdb.com/view-hand-history.aspx?GameID=1666694#.U8DOSLGootU
Villain elects to bet 1/4 pot when he boats the board pairing turn on a T262 rainbow board. This makes me think he is splitting his turn range into two different betsizes, one small 1/4 pot, and one big, 3/4 pot. I have traditionally just been sticking to one size on this turn, but seeing this hand made me wonder if it's better to have multiple bet sizes.
My first reaction was, it's going to be pretty difficult to balance two bet sizes, but doable. If we(no122 in this hand) split our betting range on the turn into two sizes, it may be more +EV than having one size. I am wresting with OO trying to figure out how often we have certain hands, but it would be great if someone could run the numbers also since I might be doing something incorrectly. I gave us 80% pre, maybe this should be higher/lower depending how often you limp or fold. Here's the turn histogram,
Hmmm Histogram doesn't seem to like being copy/pasted here...
Raw Data:
Pair 28.6%
Two Pair 58%
Trips 6.3%
Hull House 6.8%
Quads 0.2%
JJ+ 14%
JT-AT 19.5%
T6 5%
66, TT 1.5% each
T2, 62 1.75% each
^^^Not super confident in my OO abilities, if someone could just run it really quickly giving 80% on Th2s6c2d board to double check. Above is the Turn breakdown I came up with.
So yea, it looks like most of our betting range is going to consist of top pair/over pairs. My thinking is that we just have these hands so often that it might be best to split our hand range into two sizes. What do you think these sizes should be? I am thinking 1/4 pot and 4/5 pot.
Bet Big Range
Quads(huzzah!)
Boats, TT, T2. My thinking is that we want to keep as many top pair hands in villains range when we are betting small, so I would put TT, T2 into bet big. Thoughts?
Trips: Dont really know how to divide trips up into bet big/small. My instinct is to bet big with most trips, especially trips with overs, but I dunno.
Two Pair:none
Overpair: AAxx. This is definitely up for debate. Maybe some but not all AA and KK combos is better? My thinking is that we want to bet big with some value hands on the turn that we will be checking back on the river. Also, we have to have some over pair combos in our bet big range, otherwise we cant balance our bet small range and are left playing guessing games on the river when we face raises.
Tens: Hmmmm.... I guess we want to have most of our tens in our bet small range?
Air: We need to be bluffing some rivers, certainly. 789 and some times a naked 6 or 7 that we have the option of turning into bluffs seem like the best candidates to me.
Bet Small Range
Quads: none
Boats: 66, 62.
Trips: ?
Two Pair: T6
Overpair:JJ, QQ and some KK seem like the most ideal candidates, could be persuaded otherwise.
Tens: JT+? Open to suggestions
Air: What are other good air hands to bluff?
Thanks in advance
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I will preface this response with my game theory is not that good and my thoughts on this particular spot may not be a good response to ur question.
If you're trying to develop 2 turn bet sizes in this spot I would think about what each bet size is trying to accomplish. 1/4 pot is thin value sometimes but probably mostly protection. I would be putting in overpairs, 10x, some strong draws. I would also include a lot of 2s in this range because its going to be hard on that texture to get 2 streets of value with a weak or medium strength 2. if you go big with say K952 or even A952 and get raised OTT, ull be in a fairly ugly spot.
For a larger size, I would be fairly polarised with boats, weak draws and very weak pairs. I don't necessarily think having 2 sizes OTT is a definite improvement over having 1 size and I'd be very careful how u split ur ranges. If someone works out what ur doing with the 2 different sizes then u're going to get called a lot vs the smaller bet size and folded vs/raised small vs the bigger bet size.
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