HU::OOP::3-bet QdQcTdKh pre hand (edited R)
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HU::OOP::3-bet QdQcTdKh pre hand (edited R)
$0,5 $1 PLO HU
V: $222
H: $115 was dealt QdQcTdKh
V bets $3, H bets $9, V calls
flop ($17,5):9h4d2c H bets $13,5 , V calls
turn ( $44,5): 6d H bets $45, V calls
river ($134,5): Th H bets $48,45, V calls and wins hand with str8 having Ad7h8h2s ....
I think pre and flop are OK. Turn (hmmmmmm) - I honestly don't know as I am not familiar with PPT syntax and construction of opponent's calling ranges having in mind he called my 3-bet pre. I wanted to finish hand right here.
I did not like river.... I bet (not c/c) as I was not re raised on turn (V does not have 9876 nor set nor 35), so I wanted him to fold 92 and 94 (and AA?), although these hands don't fit in his range... I had no clue what he had...
So to recap, river play is pure disaster...
Please give me your thoughts of every street I played.
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edit: I had FD on turn, which I originally haven't put (I wrote Ts instead Tc)
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I can't follow this hand. Could you pls put in on a hand converter and post the link?
I might be able to turn this into a HH for you if you give me your hand which I don't think I can see from the post. Bet-sizes, stack-sizes, board cards, result, and villain's hand are all present. Can't see your cards though.
a) when I play - I play for 10+ hours in a row, so I often don't have time to post hand from chatbox (+ I need to remove extra rows from HH there). Still not sure whether it would work as I haven't tried it....
b) I never used hand converters, but I will digg into it to make people easier reading my posts - which would be fair from me
c) I tried several times to use HH here ( 888, ftp) and it wasn't successful (I put other's HHs and put my cards into that HH and changed the action and numbers)
ps my hand is written it the thread topic ;)
Strange--the first time I checked this thread I didn't see your hand posted either.
As it is, I think my conclusion is the same as yours (though I am a relative novice to PLO), though more information about how the match has gone up to this point would be helpful (how much have you been 3-betting, what has he seen you 3-bet with and how have you played the 3-bet pots where the board didn't hit your hand, what has he been subsequently calling your 3-bets with, etc.).
Absent that history, I think the 3-bet is probably fine, and the c-bets on the flop and turn are probably fine as well (on the thinking that villains holding a 9 or broadway cards similar to yours will fold on the turn). I think you do have to shift to c/c on the river though, because I think almost all villains that make it to the river are trouble for you--everyone except unpaired broadway with diamonds is calling that 1/3rd pot bet and some are raising it.
There are some interesting longer-term possibilities here. The guy flat calls with the nuts, probably just because he wanted to see what kind of hand you made this play with. Which I think is pretty cool--you get a chance to have some fun sizing your river bets with him later in the match...
Ok, preflop 3-bet is fine. If you have any sort of oop 3-betting range you will be 3-betting this hand. Flop bet is pretty std. Turn could go either way depending on V. tendencies, but betting is a good default. On the river you need to check and fold. If he had something on the flop, it's pretty likely he has you beat now, and you're unlikely to fold out any better hands.
Some might argue bluff catching with this hand if he tries to rep the backdoor straight, since it should be such a very small part of his range. I don't find that worthwhile at these stakes though.
Btw, you probably want to bet smaller on the turn. I don't understand why you are potting it?
I am potting as I am pretty sure I am better on turn. Not super strong argument, but I have overpair + FD and I 3-bet pre and I am bluffing btw as it seemed to me like nice spot to do it and put the pressure on opponent.
I am representing 6543 hand and I want him to fold any 978B, AdBdB9, Ad3dT7 drawing type of hand i.e. some gutter hand + one pair (+ maybe FD).
When I am better on turn + when I have decent FD, and when I am OOP - which sucks, I "need" (I don't, but I said my "arguments" for PRO) to full pot it, although it now all depends upon my opponent.
It's thin edge between "enough small bet that my opponent easily calls" and "enough small value bet to get value from opponent when I hold nuts that my opponent folds" when I bet smallish + I continue my agony on further streets...
When I pot it, it just depends on kind of opponent I am playing against.
As it seems now, I haven't played him enough long to get know him better, so that was the biggest mistake....
If people still wanna see this converted, I posted it here: Hand
Btw, it was Td I was holding and not Tc, so I made mistake twice...
My hand was QdQcTdKh!
sry
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