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HU Spot confused on turn

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HU Spot confused on turn

Posted this on 2p2 too but I thought I'd give it a run here as well. Not too often you can get good Omaha discussion going these days.

On Bovada so forgive crudeness

Opponent seemed competent, bluffed scare cards, didn't make any awful bet size errors, whatever. Main note is we have been playing a while and recently I have been 3betting a ton. Now he hasn't caught me with anything junky but I have turned up with middling rundowns a couple times. He small 4b once, I 5b and he folded to flop shove. Also I will note he has started limping the button more since I began 3betting, which makes me discount sets a bit as I'd assume those hands are ones that he's limping with to avoiding being 3bet.

One hand of note is I 3b AAxx and whiffed a turn c/r on A high board. He checked back bad fd plus gutter and binked river which I paid off.

110bb effective

Hero KdKsQdJh

SB raises 3bb, Hero raises 9bb, SB calls

Flop(18bb) Ad 2s 5d
Hero bets 11bb, SB calls

Turn(40bb) Jc
Hero???

Looking back on it I feel like his flop calling range is

A3xx/A4xx or pair + weak fd hands
35xx/45xx
hands like AKJ9 that didn't want to 4b and other 2pr combos
bad fd's
naked 34xx
22xx/55xx (discounted)
floats (very discounted, he has been in line in 3b pots)

Honestly I'm not sure he has a flop raising range for value, obviously some people will raise/call it off with 34 or sets but others would take a card off first. They certainly aren't 100% jamming flop.

On the turn we're well ahead of his floats and worse draws like gutter+bad fd, behind one pair hands like AQT6, and in fairly rough shape against sets/34xx. I believe checking is correct, to gain maximum value from his floats + allow worse draws to improve (I'd assume if I bet fairly large or so most are folding). But would we c/shove or c/c?

I'm not exactly sure what betting would accomplish. A barrel would get folds from worse draws (but maybe not, this could be flaw in entire ling of thinking here), floats, and some Axxx hands that don't have other possible equity. He might (note: probably) checks back a lot of bad Axxx hands that we're a slight dog against. We get it in not awful but not great vs. the top of his flop calling range if we bet/call it off.

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STAV 11 years, 11 months ago
I'm betting turn here personally. This turn smashes your range more than yours and you get him to fold hands like Axxx, w 25xx the straight draws all which have a decent amount of equity and you're implied odds are great if he is indeed calling you with worse draws than you have.
TJ Serdar 11 years, 11 months ago
Agree that checking maxes vs his floats, but you said you don't think he's getting out of line w/ floating, so the vast majority of his range, imo, is going to be A*** or flush draws. Given that you saw him take more of an equity realization strategy with his bad FD+gutter when you went for the turn ch/r, that makes me more inclined to check here, expecting him to check behind a lot of his marginal made hands and dominated draws. I think he'll be semi worried about getting ch/red on the turn, especially if this happened shortly after your whiffed turn value ch/r.

I think against a bet, we should call, planning to open shove diamonds, K,J,T for value. Not sure if we should showdown on a Q or bluff.

I feel like we should have at least a couple river cards we can bluff, but I really don't see any.
patrick 11 years, 11 months ago
I wouldn't overvalue the read from the hand where you attempted to c/r topset and he checked back with equity. He probably didn't even realize you went for a check/raise, and if he did, it still seems kind of standard to check back okay equity in a 3bet pot on an A high board. This doesn't neccessarily make him a habitual equity realizer.

Floats on A high boards in 3bet pots are rather uncommon and I wouldn't expect one here. He can have lots of flushdraws or toppairs with good 2pair outs. You didn't say anything about your stats, if you have a huge 3bet percentage he will be more likely to bet turn when checked to. If you 3bet 5% he's gonna check behind a lot.

Yes we max against his floats, but like overbet said, he rarely floats here. Usually he is on some kind of weak made hand or draw. Against AJ, 34 you have 40%. I'd bet here because I want to fold out some of his A*** hands without 2pair. I'd also expect him to call some worse draws and either bet for value when he hits (and you c/r river) or bluff when he misses (f.ex. bluff a busted straight draw when the flush hits or vice versa.).

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