i call always

plus id put reraise

fear that you wil lose to quads, which will happen occasionaly wil stop you gaining value 9 times out of 10

could be some trashy aces, i ve been reraised on rvr by really lousy cards so far, and very often on xxx board, ppl like to rep those quads much, last week guy rereraised me twice on such board, on second rereraise i jus had odds to call it off but was thinking he does have it, yet he didnt, so i dont put much thought into play in such spots, bad players will think JJ is good there, good players will try to rep quads so ..i jus call

This is a spot where I have a little fun. On the river the pot is $10 before He bets, so I would bet $1. The most he can raise it is 3x plus the pot, makes for easy call against tricky player, it is like you are setting him up.  If he has the 7 you saved a few bucks.  You could also check the river back if you have no spine!!  :)

whats the purpose of 1 doll bet? u miss the value

Like I said, it is a spot where I was having a little fun....it is just 25cent 50cent after all!!!

On a more serious note, there is not much value if he has the 7.  

You can't turn PLO into calculus all the time like NL!!!  Sometimes simple logic is enough.

I don't really play HU, but creating an IP bet-size w/ a monster that is entirely geared towards avoiding getting bluffed seems like a good strategy to miss value. That's the kind of bet I expect from someone who knows they're supposed to bet but is kind of scared to in case they're beat.

You guys obviously missed the "fun" part!!

The player in this hand has to make a plan before he bets the river. He knows his opponent is tricky so he has to decide if he wants to bet to see if his opponent will bluff the 7. If he is willing to call this play, then pot and snapcall. If not, check river back.

i really have trouble understanding your logic polar

i must be not fun ;-)

Tom,

Why it that clearly absurd.  The hero told us about the player tendency (tricky, good). If we bet we have to assume this player may try something, if we like this idea, then set him up and call him.  If we know he might make this move and wish not to be put in an awkward spot, then don't bet.

Why is that bad reasoning, I am playing player tendecies..?

Just because we bet doesn't mean we're committed to showing down under all circumstances. We bet because we can get called by many worse hands (all pps, perhaps some A-hi), but once he raises it's very likely we're beat. It's a tough spot for him to bluff, because if he doesn't have the 7 it's quite likely that we have it.

To get more math-y on it, he's risking 36.25 to win 19 with his check-raise. To be profitable it needs to work 36.25 / (36.25 + 19) = 66% of the time. Therefore we need to call at least 34% if we don't want to be exploitable (this math is explained in one of Lefort's videos). Given how the hand has played out, I think we probably have a 7 at least 34%. If that's so, we don't need to call with anything other than the nuts to protect ourselves and make money against bluffs.

This is a good illustration of how a high likelihood of running into the nuts can constrain your ability to bluff in some spots. I think villain should be check-raising smaller in this spot both for value and bluffs.

i think math is clear here, 7 is in someones hand 10 percent of time, and if villain is tricky and checkraises 100 percent nd you fold when u dont have it, he is gonna be good mist of the time, that most being more then 66 percent he needs because we will have it only 10 percent of time, so he may just have profitable line with players folding high full houses which of what ive noticed is mostly the case

in reality tho he wont be doing this 100 percent of time, he may have 7 but i run too often with ppl even  rereraising spot with AA, he will have 7 here and there but negligible compared to all value we gain meanwhile with betting it to max from AA KK type of hands

he had se7en

ty all

he called flop and turn oop.he must have some show value.no river bluff here.