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How to play underfull oop on the flop?

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How to play underfull oop on the flop?

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $51.87
SB: $105.50 (Hero)
BB: $50.00
UTG: $167.25
MP: $102.83
CO: $27.19
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is SB with 8 7 T T
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BN folds, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25
Flop ($7.00) A T A
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $5.50, CO folds, Hero calls $5.50, BB folds
considering the stack sizes, raise is a bad idea
but If I don't raise it on the flop, I'm gonna play guessing game on the later streets
Turn ($18.00) A T A 2
Hero checks, MP bets $12.00, Hero calls $12.00
River ($42.00) A T A 2 J
Hero checks, MP bets $40.11, Hero folds
as u can see the fact that I can't call pretty much every river, is it better to just fold it on the flop?

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Disharmonist 10 years, 3 months ago

"is it better to just fold it on the flop?" really? :D If you fold this flop, why even bother playing this hand at all?

anonymous 10 years, 3 months ago

imo its actually one of the trickiest flops I can get, so should or should not play this hand is little bit different thing plus im getting very good odds with decent TTxx

spassewr 10 years, 3 months ago

looks fine and standard to me. K-J are the worst cards for us... on the flop assuming villain only bets A+ otf, we have about 37% eq (mp a little more and the 2 others less than 10% each). perhaps one of the math wizards can do some math and see if its worth continuing as it may be harder than we think to realize our eq.

vs some1 who will bet trips flop and turn on non flushing turns, and then only bet river with better boats and check everything else i think xc xc x-f river is best. it gets tough if villain will turn trips into a bluff on flushing rivers (esp if the flop-fd hits) or vbets a flush (doubt any1 does unless he has trips+nf).

id be interested to see what others have to say.

some ppl prefer folding this pre if you wanna play tight OOP altho the standard these days seem to be to open up a little oop. if theres a weak player in the pot im never folding and just bc we wanna fold the flopped underfull doesnt mean we shouldnt play this pre. i think only jeff hwang would fold this on the flop after this action.

jonna102 10 years, 3 months ago

Most comments miss the point here. If you're going to play a hand like this preflop from the SB, you need to anticipate awkward situations like this. There will be plenty of similar spots. You have the worst position at the table, stack sizes are hugely working against you, and you have a mediocre hand at best.

Already before making the play preflop your plan should start forming in your hand. Given stack sizes, you already know that there are almost no flops that you can raise. Including this one. Once you see the flop you should also be aware of how much action your hand can take. In this case, standard is probably two bets ok, three bets not ok.

The main issue is that your opponent holds all the power to decide how many bets go in, and when.

Do you see now how the preflop decision to call is the root to all of this?

PermafLOat 10 years, 3 months ago

op as to flop play....Lead weak 1/2pot or less... Hope to get raised to repot depending on raise sizing... Use this line to balance with draws and stabs on other paired flops.

As played x/R turn....bluffs out A2 xx without overs to T and value from trips...fold to ship

As played x/f river...x/c vs bluffy players....or lead/fold.

JerryZRivii 10 years, 3 months ago

Or you can always c/c c/c c/jam cards smaller than a ten and hope he doesn't have AT quads or a big heart. But without a fish there's no way you're making money with this hand from sb.

anonymous 10 years, 3 months ago

tnk you guys, apparently everyone is on the same side
After thinking a while I got convinced its a mistake playing this hand from sb specially mw,
there is pretty much no flop that I can play aggressive and tons of marginal flops that I have to play like this

PermafLOat 10 years, 3 months ago

Not true... T-high flops, 9-6-x flops...but probably true that if ops are solid, unless you are leading and X/R a lot of flops..it'll be -ev to play this hand from sb as fit-or-fold.

True that underfulls are marginal oop.

I.e. Flop the underfull on AA6 board and if two ops have an A...if they don't already have you dead (A6) and don't share any side cards...you're ~33%(best case scenario)

Maybe best to turn underfulls into blocker bluffs?? anyone have anything to say about that?

Danny356 10 years, 3 months ago

lol no please don't turn a underfull into a bluff.

In any form of poker you want your bluffs to be the bottom of your range, stuff that you cant possibly win at showdown with.

so like TKQ on the flop or something.

PermafLOat 10 years, 2 months ago

How about bottom of your range in relation to board texture?

On straightening and/or flushing boards this doesn't come into play because even non-nut str8 or non-nut flush can get action from higher draws (FD or boat-draw) or lower str8/flush.

But in PLO when the board pairs...those higher draws are drastically minimized(higher boat)...or are 1-2 outers (quads, str8flush or Overpair) which don't draw vs most bets.

(u=undercard to T, not sure correct syntax: please correct me)

On A-A-T board, A-u-u-u is going to have a hard time facing a lot of action. Although on the flop this is not a true "bluff" since we are ahead, but say the turn boats him with a 4. We are now behind to 1out but hold 2/3 T needed to make the nut full house.

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