Folding to 3-bets preflop

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Folding to 3-bets preflop

So I've been doing a bit of analysing my preflop game this morning, specifically 3-betting and getting 3-bet.

Right now I'm folding to 3-bets roughly 20% of the time which I don't think is enough as I'm still folding too much postflop for my liking.

I've picked 5 hands (could have been more but let's not go overboard) that I played yesterday where I faced a preflop reraise after raising initially. I've left out the postflop part of the hand histories to keep it strictly about the preflop decisions. I'm not 100% sure about either of these.


Hand #1: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2421730

Villian plays 91/45/25 over 11 hands so we're most likely dealing with a maniac here who could have a super wide range.

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Hand #2: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2421732

Villian seems TAGgish over a small sample. No other reads.

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Hand #3: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2421734

I've got very tight players behind me so I'm opening despite the dangler. The TAG/Nit on the button 3-bets me and I'm strongly leaning towards calling as his range is well defined. How big of a problem is the 2 dangler in general in these spots?

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Hand #4: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2421736

Same player as in Hand #3. Note his shallow stack size.

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Hand #5: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2421737

Tag 3-bets, 20/10 player coldcalls. We're getting great odds but again, how bad is the dangler here multiway? 

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Legendary 11 years, 1 month ago

First hand; easy fold. Akqx or akjt or something like that I would call. Just wait for a better hand vs this maniac. What would you do post flop when hitting an ace...

2nd hand; fold. Usually I dont callt 3bets with an ace in my hand unless its a really good hand, see explanation hand 1.

3rd hand; mehh you can call, I prefer folding OOP though. IP I would call. If villain doesnt give you a hard time postflop its an argument for calling.

4th hand; Fold. Dont call 3bs with single pps unless it really connected and preferable DS like jjt9ds.

5th hand; Yeah call. 

Imfish4u 11 years, 1 month ago

Thanks a lot for posting this!

This is something i was also planning on reviewing  as well cuz i might have leaks in 3bet pots. After reading legendary's post i think i might have a huge leak cuz for me all 5 hands are CALLS! :-)

This is what i think:

1: ds which is connected, sb vs bb which means he 3 bets light, easy call

2: nut suit and IP so call

3: Since it is ds i would call otherwise fold

4: easy call with high pair ds and straight potential

5: not happy to play MW but since we are closing the action i would call.

TianYuan 11 years, 1 month ago

I call all as well... Not  100% sure if there's some kind of nittiness level that would make the QQ hand a fold at this depth.

JimmyGlass 11 years, 1 month ago

leaning towards folding in #5. dangler+we're facing tight range 3b. could be fold.

#2 depends on the villain. Nuts suit isn't enough to decide calling is mandatory. postlop tendencies would be relevant. 

would agree on calling in others, though I wouldn't go mad calling 'connected' AT64ds even vs maniac OOP. his aggro tendencies and us being oop are reasons to think on folding. we would miss often enough and he would 80%+ cbet. add to this having dominated draws and no real connectedness - close spot for me

ZenFish 11 years, 1 month ago

Hand 1:

Against this type of player it makes sense with an openlimping-range from SB. Your fold equity is close to zero, and you will have lots of hands that you want to play in a limped or single-raised pot, but not a 3-bet pot. You're forced to play make-a-hand poker, so it makes sense to play smaller preflop pots on average.

The hand you have here should perform fine as an openlimp, although I don't mind your raise. As long as you make it to the flop, I'm fine with it. Raise-folding is out of the question for me, and I would openlimp this against the borderline insane.


unbuwoha 11 years, 1 month ago

I would call #1,3,4 for the reasons Imfish4u stated.

#2 I would call, since we are in position with a nut suit and our side cards can flop a 17 card wrap.

#5 I would probably fold. The overcaller may have better rundowns than us or good Kings which take some outs away. Basically I think that at least one player dominates our hand in that spot. I am not sure if position can outweigh this in a low SPR scenario.

Ph33roX 11 years, 1 month ago

 QJT4ss (Hand 5) is close imo. probably fold.

QQJ3ds is weird because of stack sizes, going the the flop we're going to have a SPR of 2.5. If it's not DS I probably just fold, but as it is i think it's a marginal call vs a tight player.

all other hands I'll be calling.

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