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folding River Boat

UTG is 48\13 pretty passive, how would you play?
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Tom Coldwell 12 years, 2 months ago
I might have 3-bet pre because our hand doesn't do well multi-way and I would have just raise/stacked off the flop. We obviously flopped everything, but nothing we flopped is individually something I'm excited about (nothing remotely nutty - only five really good turns). As such, I wanna get HU or just take this down now because, if we invite calls, we could have f*** all equity. Our flush draw is small, our straight draw at the bottom of the board and our made hand bottom two. Much better to clean up our outs/protect against draws now when we have a strong hand for putting our money in and a lot of fold equity.
whoisangel 12 years, 2 months ago
I would also try to get it in on the flop, but for me this is a Fold PreFlop ?!? The Action isn't closed there is a small stack in front of me and after the small stack there is the initial raiser.
Dmi3 12 years, 2 months ago
folding pre seems wrong imo. The hand is not great, but folding a ss rundown on the button is way too tight - with some luck, this hand can flop pretty well (e.g. if the 9 was a J or higher, this would be a a fantastic flop) and decisions post-flop would be pretty straightforward.

As far as this hand is concerned, I think it is a raise/stack off on the flop - the only hand that has us crushed here is a higher rundown with hearts, which would not be a huge part of the Villain's calling range IMO.
Tom Coldwell 12 years, 2 months ago
Our hand is so good HU that even versus a hand as big as Th9h8c7c (wrap, pair, flush draw and backdoor flush draw), we are >42.5%. The actual hand that has us in jail is like A997 w/ hearts, but w/e, we obviously won't run into that like ever so it's kinda irrelevant.
Dmi3 12 years, 2 months ago
Also as played, I'm inclined to fold the river as well. He is repping pretty much AA only, but without any info on the villain (i.e. how often does he limp with AA pre, would he bet A9 there etc.) it is very a tough call
Sean Fri 12 years, 2 months ago
I would be tempted to call just to find out what he's doing on the turn which, imo, is bizarre. In fact, both the original bet and the raise are bizarre on the turn. The CO has a pot size bet left and bets only 1/5 pot, which, if everyone called, would leave him about a 1/2 pot bet on the river. UTG could jam about pot when it comes back around to him, but he practically minraises, which SHOULD commit the CO otr and ends up giving you 3 to 1 on his shove anyway. Are these probe bets with marginal hands? Clearly the CO isn't nutted (99 w/ a small heart re-draw?) Or is the tiny x/r a little value bet with a super strong hand? (AA w/ nut flush re-draw?)

I basically don't understand anybody's plan on the turn, looking ahead to the river. If either of them have a hand and aren't concerned with leaving such a small river bet, they still shouldn't be laying you odds to draw to a straight. If you're planning on folding a boat on the river, then even with the odds you're getting, why are you calling the turn?

Anyone else think the turn is full of really bizarre play?
Jason Ring 12 years, 2 months ago
Of course the turn is bizarre. The bet size and raise size don't really make any sense. At low stakes things like this sometimes happen and make it a total guessing game.
Also, like Sean said if you're calling the turn raise you can't fold river when hit a boat.
Phil Galfond 12 years, 2 months ago
I agree w/ 5carab about getting it in on flop, and for the reasons he mentioned.

That said, I'm leaning more towards whoisangel than everyone else preflop. I would never consider 3betting or even calling with this hand in my games. If it's a call, it's because we can outplay our poor opponents here enough postflop (and because we don't expect to get squeezed often.

3betting gets pretty ugly for us. It's not as simple as hot and cold equity. Sure... we are almost 40% against anything preflop, but we have terrible playability on flops. Very often we'll have to fold a hand with enough equity to get in, or get it in with very poor equity. Flopping bottom pair/2pr and weak FDs and SDs in bloated pots gets costly.

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