Folding big sets twice within a few hands - Is this too nitty?
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Folding big sets twice within a few hands - Is this too nitty?
These two hands are from an MTT. I was considering posting it in the MTT section, but it seems it would drown in NLHE posts, so I hope it's alright if I put it here. This is the early/mid stages of the tourney so there are no ICM consideration or anything like that. I just want to know if there's anything I could have done differently in these spots. I wouldn't play this any differently in a shallow stack cash game.
I had a bad run of cards for the first 60 hands or so of the tourney and had a very, very tight image at the table. Seat 1 and 2 were also playing tight, with less than 10 percent PFR and around 15 VPIP in the small sample size I had so far. I'm MBraathen/seat 5 in the hand samples.
PokerStars Hand #137299793548: Tournament #1257112358, €2.00+€0.20 EUR Omaha Pot Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2015/06/27 23:26:15 CET [2015/06/27 17:26:15 ET]
Table '1257112358 3' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DrSaid (8940 in chips)
Seat 2: kefiracka (10630 in chips)
Seat 3: surfer aek21 (9526 in chips)
Seat 4: Mr.Zzzed (10501 in chips)
Seat 5: MBraathen (9164 in chips)
Seat 6: sukramt (4449 in chips)
Mr.Zzzed: posts small blind 100
MBraathen: posts big blind 200
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to MBraathen [Jc Jh Kd Td]
sukramt: folds
DrSaid: raises 200 to 400
kefiracka: folds
surfer aek21: calls 400
Mr.Zzzed: calls 300
MBraathen: calls 200
FLOP [7h Ah Js]
Mr.Zzzed: checks
MBraathen: bets 985
DrSaid: raises 3570 to 4555
surfer aek21: folds
Mr.Zzzed: folds
MBraathen: folds
Uncalled bet (3570) returned to DrSaid
DrSaid collected 3570 from pot
SUMMARY *
Total pot 3570 | Rake 0
Board [7h Ah Js]
Seat 1: DrSaid collected (3570)
Seat 2: kefiracka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: surfer aek21 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Mr.Zzzed (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: MBraathen (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: sukramt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
My line of thought was that because the only time seat 1 had raised and showed down a hand was when he had weak aces. Therefore I considered checking on the flop, but I just felt that if I put a bet in, he would have to raise the pot if he had aces because of the flush draw on the board in a four-way pot. So the plan was to get value from the two other players (seat 4 was extremely loose, getting it in light), and fold to a big raise from 1, which is what I did.
I think that was fine, but a couple of hands later...
PokerStars Hand #137299926213: Tournament #1257112358, €2.00+€0.20 EUR Omaha Pot Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2015/06/27 23:29:06 CET [2015/06/27 17:29:06 ET]
Table '1257112358 3' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DrSaid (11125 in chips)
Seat 2: kefiracka (10630 in chips)
Seat 3: surfer aek21 (9501 in chips)
Seat 4: Mr.Zzzed (10101 in chips)
Seat 5: MBraathen (7654 in chips)
Seat 6: sukramt (4199 in chips)
sukramt: posts small blind 125
DrSaid: posts big blind 250
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to MBraathen [2s Kd Kh Jd]
kefiracka: raises 250 to 500
surfer aek21: folds
Mr.Zzzed: folds
MBraathen: calls 500
sukramt: folds
DrSaid: calls 250
FLOP [Jc Ks Tc]
DrSaid: checks
kefiracka: bets 750
MBraathen: calls 750
DrSaid: folds
TURN [Jc Ks Tc] [5d]
kefiracka: checks
MBraathen: bets 1785
kefiracka: raises 6695 to 8480
MBraathen: folds
Uncalled bet (6695) returned to kefiracka
kefiracka collected 6695 from pot
kefiracka: doesn't show hand
SUMMARY *
Total pot 6695 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Ks Tc 5d]
Seat 1: DrSaid (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: kefiracka collected (6695)
Seat 3: surfer aek21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mr.Zzzed folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MBraathen (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: sukramt (small blind) folded before Flop
This one was a bit tougher for me. I haven't played that much PLO, so folding top set was hard. Because I block kings, jacks and there is a ten on the board, won't my opponents (in a three-way pot) have a lot of aces and queens? I also have no clubs in my hand, so that could add a bit of of equity to my opponent's hands. Also his willingness to check-raise on the turn after my call on the flop seems a lot more like strength than a bluff. Of course some crazy players at this low stakes level could shove AAxx with two clubs here, this guy had been playing tight so far.
I just felt like a total knit after playing so few hands in this tourney and folding two big sets in just a few hands. But am I correct to fold against tight players here? Against the super-loose gamblers who play like 70/25 (there are a lot of them), I would not fold. Also, is there anything else I could have done differently pre-flop or on any street prior to folding? Any feedback is appreciated!
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Hand 2 makes me sad because you put in so much money and folded with a hand that is guaranteed to have decent(ish) equity. Like, I think you were beat when he check/raised and I think you probably made the right fold (likely equity is c.20% and we need around 33 to call), but I am not crazy happy that we found ourself in this situation. That said, I'm not convinced there was too much we could do differently w/o reads.
Hand 1 is much worse though. We are 45bbs deep and you found a way to hero fold on a dynamic board when villain could have a combo draw, bottom set, top two, nut flush draw etc. Yes, at times you'll get it in really bad here, but I don't think we should be looking to get away this shallow when we've been coolered. Not without a FAR stronger read. I would have 3-bet it in and taken my medicine if he has AA.
Thank you for your reply, Tom! Like I said, I'm a noob to PLO, so I had no idea it was this bad! I was probably too worried about AA just because he showed it down once when he raised pre, which obviously isn't much of a read. I think he has AA sometimes, but like you said there are a lot of combo draws here, and overall I do well against that range of hands. I should take notice to the board texture more in the future with these types of hands. Thanks again for your time!
Your welcome. Glad I was able to help :)
I always think that because of their structure omaha mtts will be full of tight thoughtful play - the kind that makes u money at the cash tables but i usually see very LAG bluffy players accumulate huge stacks (at micro BI). That observation hasn't help me play them better but sitting around waiting for premium hands doesn't seem to be working very well for me. At least you can usually hang around a little longer than nlhe mtts.
Yeah, my experience of low/micro PLO MTTs is that they are full of idiots. Assuming people know what they are doing is a very bad idea indeed! Lots of people worrying about underestimating people, but in low/micro-stakes PLO (cash and tourny), your real risk is overestimating them.
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