Flop and Turn Cbets
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Flop and Turn Cbets
im new to PLO (around 10000 hands lifetime) and pretty much just been splashing around with no real direction and or solid thought process in this game, so with that said i feel that my biggest leak so far (im not kidding myself theres a lot of them) is my flop Cbets and double barrels.
stats are 81/51 for flop and turn cbets. so as you can probably understand im getting blown off a lot of hands that i feel i have equity in worth betting or because im either double barreling boards that may help me a bit but help my opponents range more. Basically what im asking is what should i be looking for to check back with equity? instead of firing and getting blown away.
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1) As a rule, don't bluff pure air (no pair/no draw) in multiway pots. Just don't do it, and you'll save a lot of money at small stakes. Don't do it a lot in HU pots either, or you'll be easily exploitable by floats and bluff-raises. Rules can be broken, but then you should be very aware of why.
2) When you're c-betting a hand like A765 on a AJ2 board, you are bluffing ("PLO air"). Effectively, you're using the pair as a blocker to increase fold equity. And you can win free showdowns occasionally when called (unlike pure air). Checking back doesn't do much for you, since you're not strong enough to bluffcatch, and you're just giving a free card + bluffing opportunities to lots of hands that would have folded. You improve sometimes, but not to a strong hand that you can stack off with or happily call down with.
3) In position, it's good to check back some hands that you don't want to get checkraised with, but that have good outs/playability on some turns (unlike A765 on AJ2 flop). You want some turn cards that are easy to play well. Like a naked nut flushdraw or a nut open-ender. Not a lot of outs, but good outs. Now you can continue on ~20% of turns where you'll know where you're at. You don't have to check back ALL hands like this, but make sure you check back SOME hands like this. The more aggressive Villain is, the more you check.
It's not just a vacuum play, it's also good for your range. You can show up with the nuts on any texture-changing turn, also after checking. Now you can credibly rep the new nuts, which also allows you to bluff turns after checking the flop.
Compare this to checking back with A765 on a AJ2 board, where you don't have any outs to the nuts, and you're drawing almost dead against top two or a set. You certainly don't want to call a bet when the turn misses, and you're not happy to call when you improve either. So it doesn't make much sense to "value-check" this mediocre top pair hand on the flop. We bluff it instead.
now say we are on the button after raising preflop with the NFD on a Q72tt are we more inclined to bet our draw as compared to checking back a JT8tt board because of the likelyhood of our opponent having less to play back at us with therefore increasing fold equity? or should it be roughly the same with a check back as oflten?
This is of course a matter of degree, not a cookie-cutter recipe. Start with sound thought processes. What kind of player is Villain (passive, good-aggressive, bad-aggressive)? Divide hands into broad categories (monsters, medium draws, "PLO air", etc) , and it will get easier to play them well.
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