Flatting Axxx $ss Hands OTB
Posted by sted9000
Posted by sted9000 posted in Mid Stakes
Flatting Axxx $ss Hands OTB
Been wondering about this spot and would love to hear others thoughts.
Flatting opens OTB with Axxx + single suited to the A + (not having another component or having another component that is weak)
Examples: AQ96, A532, AT77, AK22 (ass single suited to the Ace)
While these hands are all slightly different, I think thinking about them as one category for the sake of simplicity might be a good idea. Could be wrong here tho.
And while the decision to flat or not to flat these hands on the button might be close and therefore a waste of time, they also occur at a high frequency, which might make the spot worth thinking about.
My thoughts:
- 3betting is out of the question vs any reasonable opening range. We have to fold to 4b and the hand does not posses the qualities you want in a hand in a 3bp. It does better in higher spr situations because of the nut and nut draws it flops (however infrequently).
- Getting flatted behind cuts both in both directions. Positive is that our nut flush draws gain value. Negative is that facing a cbet a) it is tougher to float and b) calling with naked top pair and A high boards becomes less appealing
- I think facing a squeeze behind is not that bad of an outcome. While we will have to fold on the flop very often we have 2 things going for us. One, when we flop our NFD we have a very profitable situation. Two we have the best absolute and relative position which will allow us to pick up more than our fair share of pots post-flop.
- While we are a dog vs almost all opening ranges, we aren't that big of a dog. And having a hand that has a nutty component + position + deep stack-to-pot ratio is a good combination. However w/o much anything else going on we have to fold quite frequently when we don't flop a clear continuing hand (flush, nfd, 2p+).
- Think having a cold caller in-between the opener and us might be very important to the value of the play: a) our nut flush draw goes up in value and more importantly b) we get better information on the flop. Namely pfr cbets less frequently and more face up. More frequently we will get to see if our back-door flush-draw or our 2p comes in on the turn fo' free.
My hem numbers (way too small of a sample to mean much I think):
- of 8000 opportunities to flat on a raiser (w or w/o callers) OTB, 530 where hands like I am talking about (6-7%)
- I VPIPed on 300 of the 530 chances (50-60%); 55% vs only a raiser and 70% vs a raiser and caller(s)
- have a -55bb/100 loss rate; -70 vs only a raiser and +12 vs raiser and caller(s)
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