Fixing leaks
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Fixing leaks
Well I finally started to search for my biggest leaks since my stats at PLO10z are horrible. I always thought I was solid enough to beat it and blamed a lot of it on running aweful and so on. So I tried few filters in PT4 and at some point I had "called 3bet preflop" active and the result was shocking. Almost 3/4 of my losses came from pots where I called a 3bet pre. There are also hands included where I called a 3bet and a following 4bet.
My question is how do I continue from here. Are their any decent filters to find the main problems. I folded around 490/1138 hands on the flop which is the biggest part of the losses. When I saw turn its only 1/5 of my overall losses in these pots.
So where do I start to fix it?
I have some ideas of what might be the biggest problem: When thinking about opponents range I too often only think about AA** type of hands and play accordingly(or play fit or fold because I am actually up when I saw showdown in these pots). Being oop could also be a problem but I didn't find the right filter to see that. I only see that my biggest losses are in CO and MP. In BB I am actually up but I also played the fewest hands of this category there.
Thanks for any input in advance.
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From what I hear you need to defend way more than you fold vs a 3 bet. However if you're like me and don't really know what you're doing postflop then it might be better to fold more pre. Someone more experienced than me should chime in here about how much to defend vs a 3 bet and also how to play the bottom of your range when say you flat K965ss BTN vs blinds, if that even is the BTN.
Fwiw AAxx might be a big part of their range when they 3b but from what I'm seen at PLO5z people are 3 betting soooo much range trash like any double suited hand.
I also have similar problem. Just check my loses against 3bet and it's big part where my money burning. In general I losing when OOP.
Hey guys, there are a couple of things to be aware of here.
Once you are facing a 3-bet you've already essentially lost money overall in the hand. From that point you can choose between losing a little and losing a bit more, but being in the green is no longer an option. So keep that in mind when looking at PT or HEM filtered graphs. They don't show the results relative to folding, so it will always look like you're losing.
With that in mind, if you KNEW that you would be getting 3-bet in a hand, you should only open hands that win on average against that 3-betting range. That would mean tightening up significantly, but there are some cases where that makes sense. Overall though, the first thing is to choose your opening ranges with awareness of population or table 3-bet tendencies, but also knowing that most of the time you won't be facing a 3-bet.
One you have done that, it's a matter of how to play against those 3-bets. In most regular games today, players are still folding a bit too much preflop, so it makes sense to open slightly wide. That would mean you would open SOME hands that can't call a 3-bet. Maybe you'll fold something like 10-15%, depends on the table conditions. However, if you're at a table where you're getting 3-bet a lot you should already have tightened up your opening ranges, and you may not be folding at all to 3-bets, in or out of position.
But then, I find what most players have trouble with is not the 3-betting or facing the 3-bet in itself -- it is playing postflop in a 3-bet pot. That is probably where you can influence your win rate the most in these spots. And given that the SPR will be low, very often these decisions will be equity driven, meaning that you probably want to be very strong with flop RvR equities and hand matchups. I think that's a good place to start if you're having trouble in these spots.
Then finally, you might want to do a relative results plot, that shows your results relative to folding to the 3-bet. This can be done with external plotting tools, but I don't think it can be done with PT or HEM currently. There are some other interesting ways to set up filtering though, that kinda shows similar things.
Hope that makes sense.
For example, when you open raise to 3.5BB and always fold to the 3bet your winrate would be -350BB/100. You should only defend hands that have a higher expected winrate than that, even if it is negative. I think that is the relative results jonna102 is talking about. Another example: When you are minraising to 2BB, all the hands with an expected winrate of -200BB/100 to -350BB/100 (and of course worse) become folds now. However, different sizings mean different post flop SPRs and may result in different postflop strategies which in return influence your winrate...
About improving your approach: In the micros average stats for the zoom pool are not that helpful when it comes to 3betting imho. Lots of maniacs or AAxx only. So overfolding marginal hands until you have a good estimate of villain's range (sth. like tight/medium/wide) is a valid approach. How to find marginal hands? EV/100 is a starting point. Also check for hand categories (using PT4 filters) where you have a high fold to cbet, meaning you will not flop strong often enough. Filter for hands that have 3 broadways and a dangler with and without an Ace. Mostly those hands are very dominated by a 3betting range. Check for Ace high hands in general. Check for disconnected hands (like KJ75). While doing above always consider the villain's 3bet ranges you were up against.
Another issue is the insane rake cap of 15BB at PLO10. Example: Hero plays for a 200BB pot. PLO100 hero wins ~197BB, PLO10 hero only wins 185BB. Defending hands where you have to get it in marginal frequently only helps PokerStars.
:( so basically anything up to PLO100 is a huge rake trap you might never escape unless you're a crusher? And to an extent PLO50 as well?
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