Facing pot Bet and turn shove w AQQK on J10hh3x

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Facing pot Bet and turn shove w AQQK on J10hh3x

SB: $123
BB: $110.20 (Hero)
UTG: $101.70
HJ: $142.27
CO: $317.30
BN: $413.15
Villain is 23/19 w 19SBPFR over 344 Hands
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt Q Q K A
UTG raises to $2, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, SB raises to $7, Hero calls $6, UTG calls $5
Flop ($21.50) T J 3 (3 Players)
SB bets $21, Hero calls $21, UTG folds
Turn ($63.50) 8 (2 Players)
SB bets $63
Hero??

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Hans Gusen 11 years, 3 months ago

You can argue for folding preflop.

As played I would probably ship it on the flop because calling gets you in ugly turn spots most of the time.

spassewr 11 years, 3 months ago

What does his pot bet mean? For some players it is either NFD w AA(usually) others only have strong vulnerable made hands like top2 or set.


His 3b in the SB? His 3b vs utg? Or utg vs sb if u have that stat.


I prefer having a good pre and post flop read b4 i call a 3b w Axxx. Were gonna have the worst relative position when we overcall here.

Vs a range of only NFD and top2 within the top 10% of hands you have 40% which is prob worst case scenario, so a jam is fine otf and prob best if u dont have a read what the pot bet means bc of poor visibility and possibly not a lot of implied odds and maybe some reversed impl.




lofigr 11 years, 3 months ago

This is monster hand and "only" if I was in SB and I 3-bet and got 4-bet from BB - I fold.

If i limp as SB and got reraised from BB, I think I would call.

When SB 3-bets pre - I deffinitely call from BB - almost always.

Now, what kind of player is my opponent? Tricky or straightforward one?

We have:

Vs AA - I am lost on this very flop that I hit pretty hard (!): 38,5:61:5%

Vs AAhh - its even worse: 26:74%

Vs AJJ!hh - its not good neither: 36,5:63,5%

Vs QhJh98 - its not "so" bad: 46,5:53,5%

Vs KKJT - its: 38:62%

Vs JhT9h8, its not good: 34,5:63,5%

For these 6 hands of our opponent our average is 37%, if he is betting somewhat more light OTF ( + we need to have in mind his 3-bet from SB pre) maybe we could have average ~max43% (adding QJ98 non suited in hearts in his range, JT87!hh, T987hh and maybe KJh98h).

And we need ~45,4% to stack off OTF (effective stacks) under legit assumption UTG's range is weak.

No matter how strong we look OTF to ourselves, I still think we could fold it and save our money....

Correct me if I am wrong pls. Thanks.

Also, his range contains high cards and high pairs which are our outs for our wrap, and if he additionally has 2 hearts - we are not in good shape...

ilovetiger 11 years, 3 months ago

I think flop should be a shove or fold dependent on how wide villan pots the flop here - sb should be really strong here leading into 3 people on a flop thats extremely wet, and vs the top of his range we're not doing so hot.....I guess a default jam is probably the way to go if we're readless but folding readless has to be pretty close.

Suniram 11 years, 2 months ago

I like the last two posts here.
- SB 3bet a minraise from UTG. While a minraise is weaker than a bigger raise on average SB knows that SPR will be still pretty high after his 3bet is called so I think that strenghtens (=tightens) his 3betting range. He also doesn't have as much power to force out BB since his 3bet is small.
- OTF: SB pots into two people. While we have a good chunk of EQ vs any hand we pretty much never (or very seldomly) are in good shape. It sucks to fold a good EQ but isn't it worse to gii bad here almost always. 
Lofigr said we need 45% to stack off on the flop here and here is no way we have that. If SB 3bets around 7% here and plays that way with top2, pair+oesd, wraps, AA+something we have like 37%. 
Calling doesn't work out as well imo since we don't have direct odds and have to fold OTT if we don't hit.

So, as a conclusion, if we don't have spefic reads on SBs betsizing here I feel like this has to be a fold OTF.

Alien Slayer 11 years, 2 months ago

+1 on folding . I'd give him much more AAK/AAQ, AKK hands though (oftentimes w/FD), all of them hurt our EQ - and in addition UTG can have a strong hand as well. 


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