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Cbet sizing MW oop squeezed pot

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Cbet sizing MW oop squeezed pot

I could come up with some actual hands but in the first hand I am interested in some general point of views and arguments.

Lets say I squeeze with a 5% range. Very AK/AA dominated but also some DS-RD. I get 2 callers and an A-high flop.

Admittedly I often look at my actual holding and size up if I have a hand that can bet/call high but not small cbet (for more FE) and a bit down if have to bet/fold - or have a monster.

I would usually trying to size the minimum that would still fulfill 2 criteria:

* Creating SPR of max or close to 1:1 on turn for max leverage and less implied
* Not giving pot-odds for villains vs. AA to hands that otherwise wouldn't have pot-odds

How does that sound? Am I missing some parameters?

I guess it doesn't have to be squeezed pot so feel free to give other examples and explain you reasoning.

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TJ Serdar 12 years, 2 months ago
The strategy your using right now seems really common, and in terms of developing some other strategy, your right about where I am at the moment.

I feel like stack sizes in general here are crucial. In order to meet your turn SPR criteria, it depends a ton on preflop stacks and whether or not your sqz will create a 2.5-4 flop SPR, allowing for a sizing that will get you that ~1 turn SPR.

Also, something else to consider is the frequency with which your range won't contain an ace.

AA** w/ a suit is 1.89% (not AAAx)
AKK* .40% (Not AKKK)
AK**ds is .63% of hands. (Not AAKK)
AK(BB) w/ a suit is .20% (Not AAA/KKK/AAKK)
Total is 3.72%.

So, 1.28% would contain those DS-RD. so 25.6% of the time you sqz you won't have an A on Axx flop.

But, given how well your DSRD's tend to distribute their equity, even on Axx flops, your still flopping relatively good equity for the SPR scenario's your talking about. It might be an OK strategy to just size flop to get that ~1 turn SPR with your entire range, expecting to have to fold sometimes when shoved on, but for the most part have a pretty healthy continuing range vs a jam. Another plus to this is very often on Axx when your opp flops a mediocre A, he's often calling flop vs jamming, so you'll be realizing your equity the times you don't flop an A really frequently, which could lead to some really profitable turn jams since those DS-RD's flop a ton of backdoor draws.

One final point, is about the downside of sizing too small and giving too good of pot odds when you do have Axxx is that sizing larger on those wetter/more dynamic boards seems fine w/ your range as a whole again since your DSRD's just coordinate so well even on these A98 2tone boards, it seems like you'll often have enough equity to just bet/call your range on those wetter boards for the most part. It might even be OK to pot/call your range on those textures w/ smaller spr's since the portion that is folding is so small it's not really an issue.

Maybe if you post a couple hands we could get into some specific arguments for deviating from this sizing, but in general, this seems like a pretty solid approach imho.
Girts Sprancis 12 years, 2 months ago
As a general rule I try to size the cbets (both raised and 3bet pots) based purely on the texture of the flop: 1/2 pot on the dry ones, 2/3 pot on semi-wet and 3/4 on wet ones; and check 3bets pots oop with very polarized range, which is probably not very good. That's for the SPR of >1.8 or so, below that I just pot it.

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