Call versus AA shove - suspecting villain is using Ace of heart as blocker

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Call versus AA shove - suspecting villain is using Ace of heart as blocker

BN: Aistulia: $14.35
SB: Rudya158: $9.39
BB: Someboy23: $17.17
UTG: shnur221087: $10.65
HJ: shashoualex: $15.68
CO: Kuuder: $10
Preflop ($0.15) (6 Players)
shashoualex was dealt Q J T Q
shnur221087 folds, shashoualex raises to $0.30, Kuuder raises to $1.05, Aistulia folds, Rudya158 folds, Someboy23 folds, shashoualex calls $0.75
Flop ($2.25) 7 4 5 (2 Players)
shashoualex checks, Kuuder bets $2.15, shashoualex raises to $4.30, Kuuder raises to $8.95, and is all in, shashoualex calls $4.65
Turn ($22.30) 7 4 5 7 (2 Players)
River ($22.30) 7 4 5 7 6 (2 Players)
Final Pot
shashoualex has Q J T Q shashoualex wins $19.24
I have trouble to estimate when to fold and when not flushes that are not nuts in PLO.
Sometimes K high flush loses and on other hand i run into many ppl using Ace in color as a blocker.
Sometimes 10 high flush is good and at times K flush loses.
Is there some proper policy in PLO with flushes, thats side of the game i cant get any grip on, and what is exacnt statistical frequency of 2 flushes in same hand in PLO.
Meanwhile while im cluesless i jus call off all K or Q flushes and if i have lower i try to keep pot as low as possible.
Ace flush i dont have trouble with :xD

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Lenny Seward 12 years, 2 months ago
In this spot he's a lot more polarized since you have the Q, J, and T of hearts which means he either has the nuts or nothing given that he probably wouldn't do this with the K high flush.

If I were you I would not raise the flop unless you know he is likely to 3Bet bluff with the blocker, which from the OP you seem unsure of. That way you let him continue his bluffs and still get the money in by the river if you think he's bluffing. A small concern is that he may have a straight flush, but that would just be a cooler. After he 3Bets though he is ultra polarized and I don't mind the call. I think a good amount of villains would just call your flop raise with the nuts and be more likely to 3Bet with the blocker.
Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
I think a good amount of villains would just call your flop raise with the nuts and be more likely to 3Bet with the blocker - is v nice definied, thank you very much and i think will help me loads in future similars until i get to further levels where things may mean reverse as well i guess.

Main reason i checkraised there is that, since i made my mind to persue my not nutflush and put money on it, i didnt want a board to pair, and face me with difficult decision playing with 3rd nuts or 4th is i incluse str8 flush as possibility too, which i tend to ignore being so rare i dont take it in account~ and if it happens im ok to lose to it . As its played money was already in , so i didnt have to additionaly decide on what to do on paired board.
Phil Galfond 12 years, 2 months ago
This is the clear play if his 3b range is tight (mostly AAxx), and you're pretty confident he will jam with the blocker. Your reasoning above is perfect (you lose value from blocker or make bad folds sometimes on board pairs). Having the 3 hearts in your hand is, of course, very valuable in a potential blocker situation.

If he is 3betting a lot, things change, as he's much more likely to be suited than unsuited (double suited junk type hands - A765ds, etc).
Phil Galfond 12 years, 2 months ago
I like your point about people reraising with the blocker and often calling with the nuts. That said, I'm not sure we can get away from our hand when he calls once the pot is that big, so there may not be much practical application to that point, at least in this hand.
NoobYourself 12 years, 2 months ago
As villain, isn't it better to check behind the AAxx with nutblocker. I feel like it's a better opportunity to wait turn or river for a bet/raise (more scary, and looks less bluffy than doing this on flop, where you have a wider cbet range).
Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
Great advice for villain play, if he just checked, i would pot bet but would fold on paired board on turn most likely - depends a player - not sure though, i have lil troubles with fold button, and i decided that my read is he has AA. But in terms of play, way better option for him.

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