c-bet size on paired boards - 1/2 or 1/3
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c-bet size on paired boards - 1/2 or 1/3
Hi, I just purchased Vision and I'm seeing that it's uses 1/2 pot sizing on flop on paired boards. I come from JNandez and he's always using 1/3 pot sized c-bets on paired boards. So What do you guys think about these 2 sizings? Are betting strategies change a lot using these 2 sizings?
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The EV difference between these two sizings will be pretty minimal, btw. You need significant differences in bet sizes to produce significant differences in EV. 17% of the pot is not very much.
That said, I generally use 50% when the board pair is below broadway and 33% when it's a broadway pair.
My non-computational rationale:
On lower paired boards, protecting our thin value hands is more important: think about something like TT98 on 772. We don't want literally any combo with a J+ in it seeing free cards; they actually have kind of a lot of equity (and we're heavily incentivized to deny it).
So, not only can we bet wider with decent-or-better-SDV hands (like this example I've mentioned), but we want to produce more folds when we're doing so. So we size up slightly to discourage wider continues.
We can also cbet overcards on a board like this. As mentioned from the other perspective: overcards have decent equity here. So it's kind of a... bowling shoe semibluff? Haha. (Point is: we're semibluffing a pretty "ugly" draw: two pair on a paired board.)
We'll also have a lot of easy decisions versus villain's raises, so that potential outcome isn't super worth worrying about, imo.
On broadway pair boards as PFR, when we have trips+ (not super uncommon) it's going to block our opponent from continuing often and—when we don't have trips—our opponent is likely to forfeit their equity to any aggression whatsoever due to our range advantage (especially when we have position). So we can bet smaller and much wider quite profitably. Also, our good-SDV combos need less protection.
sounds like a reasonable concept to split between high and low boards.
also I don`t know the current situation in Vision but last year it was all 1/2 in srp, and pretty mixed between 1/2 and 1/3 in 3bp, for me it made sense as it seemed to correlate with the stack size change affected by the blinds (blind vs blind was 1/2 for both, sb vs btn 1/3 oop and 1/2 ip and btn vs co 1/3 for both)
Nice explanation. Thank you very much man :)
Thing I realized I should clarify/correct during my session today:
If a paired board has a broadway card on it (K77 vs 772), then I'm generally playing it in the 1/3 pot way. When we have more overfulls as PFR, it's kinda the same deal as above re: trips. And, again, even something like Kxxx needs way less protection (though we don't mind denying equity, particularly if the flop is two-tone).
I usually switch between the sizing depending of my opponent.
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