Bluff Raisings Turns in 3bet Pots
Posted by Johannes Strassmann
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Johannes Strassmann
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Bluff Raisings Turns in 3bet Pots
BB: Odd_Oddsen: $9865.62
SB: Psier: $19826.88
SB: Psier: $19826.88
Preflop
($75.00)
(2 Players)
Psier was dealt
K
2
T
Q
Psier raises to $150, Odd_Oddsen raises to $450, Psier calls $300
Psier raises to $150, Odd_Oddsen raises to $450, Psier calls $300
Flop
($975.00)
J
7
T
(2 Players)
Odd_Oddsen bets $600,
Psier calls $600
Turn
($2175.00)
J
7
T
J
(2 Players)
Odd_Oddsen bets $1675,
Psier raises to $3800,
Odd_Oddsen calls $2125
River
($9775.00)
J
7
T
J
A
(2 Players)
Odd_Oddsen bets $5015.62, and is all in,
Psier folds
Final Pot
Odd_Oddsen
wins $9699.50
I am just learning Omaha, I have a lot of experience playing NLH HU the transititon seems to go pretty smoothly against weaker regulars. I struggle though once I meet more experience PLO players.
I just played this hand and after watching your Bluff Theory Video. I am trying to find good spots to raise turns as bluffs.
Villian in the hand was 3betting around 30% and two barreling a lot once I called on the Flop.
My thoughts on the Turn Raise. I had folded so far a lot against his turn barrel so he might regard my raise as strong here. I am blocking JT a little with my T. I can go for free showdown if he just calls with any Jack on a 9, A and be good occassionally. He should probably be folding 98 or QQ-AA with the Nutflush draw, some other hands that are ahead. Calling here on the turn with my hand never seems an option.
1)Is this a fine play to mix it up if i have J7,JT and get him to fold a decent part of his range ?
The main issue I have is that its still hard for me to assign proper ranges to players frequencies. I am not sure how often I am just crushed here once he bets again on the Turn.
2) Should I be shoving River occassionally if he calls my raise on blanks that are unlikely to have hit him ? Lowcards.. Check more on highcards like Q,K,A that are likely to have hit him.
3) In general which board textures are best to be bluffraised on the turn against opponents who are two barreling a lot (capable of 3barreling as bluff more light value) ?
I get occasionally raised smallishon drawheavy boards (two tone flushboards) when I can be two barreling a pretty wide range on the turn and the board pairs as well, are these likely to be bluffs if the players is good at PLO.
Thanks everyone in advance for their thoughts and input !
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It's definitely good to bluff-raise here sometimes, and your hand is a decent one for it (though you could consider a thin call).
I think you're wrong in expecting him to fold an overpair with flush draw. Still, he should have enough dry overpairs and weak draws that your raise will work out okay for you.
The river decision is interesting. I'm curious as to how he'd play AAxx, but also what other hands he has in his value range (I guess AJxx too).
Welcome to the forums, Johannes! Tip- as you may have noticed, people tend to not feel like reading and responding to multiple questions in an OP, so try keeping OPs more simple and asking further questions later in the thread.
GL!
Reading all your posts here, looking forward to crush PLO this year :)
i meant to say that he'll fold to turn raises if he was bluffing the turn thinking you call flop lightly
well he is 3betting 30% and cbets a lot and 2nd barrels a lot..so I think you aren´t crushed by his range that often, especially because (like phil said) people are 2nd barreling on pairing turns a lot. from his perspective he is trying to fold out your KQ, T9, Q9
I think your raise will show immediate profit BUT obv it depends a lot what he thinks how you would play 2pairs and sets on the flop.
And would you raise with only trips (+gutshot which you would have most of the time) on the turn?
I have mixed feelings about raising JT and J7 on the turn, on the one hand I want to call and let him barrel or c/c on the river with a straight, on the other hand it´s nice to through in bluffs in this spot.
So I think to keep balanced and accomplish both its important to also raise JT here.
It will keep the pressure high if he´s got 98, AA etc and forces him to pay you off sometimes, make bad laydowns etc.
given that..
2. I think yes you should shove the river as a bluff sometimes to prevent him from being able to turn call with AA and knows he´ll see the showdown if you bluff.
I like the bluff on K and Q given that you will block a T, K, and Q in that spot, so it very hard for him to have a boat here. it also looks like bad cards to bluff since it helps both of your ranges and sometimes makes him the nutstraight etc.
not sure if Im correct here but these are my thoughts ;)
I just want to add that I would mix raising and flatting (JT, J7) by looking at my sidecards. If I have two overcards like KQ I would flat since I fear almost no rivercards. If I have 56 I would raise. Often times balancing your play based on sidecards works out pretty well.
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