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Basic Position Question

Merge Network $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2052900
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Hero (UTG): $50.00
CO: $65.09
BTN: $50.00
SB: $15.10
BB: $74.89

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Qc 2h Jc Th
Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB raises to $5.75, BB calls $5.25, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($17.25) 5s 9h 9c (3 players)
SB bets $9.35 all in, BB folds, Hero folds

PLO noob question here. I'm not gonna get into stats/reads on these players because I'm mostly interested in basic theory. Don't really see any option pre-flop other than call. I saw my post-flop position as highly favorable because short stack should shove most of the time and I get to see what the deeper stack does before reacting, but my friend who's better at PLO than me says the other deep stack's position is preferable because he can shove and lock me out of the pot. I asked if he would trade positions with the other deep stack and he said yes, which doesn't make sense to me, but I'm still a PLO beginner. Does this make sense?

In this particular hand it doesn't matter much, but could be relevant if I had a stronger hand where I had a legitimate decision between calling or re-raising. If I believe my post-flop position is favorable I should be more likely to call, maybe foregoing some pre-flop equity.

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newt 12 years, 2 months ago
I had a friend (in 2003) who would always say he preferred being OOP in NLH because he had "the first opportunity to bluff" in the hand. Maybe in 2003 this had a *touch* of merit because the games were so passive, but --- what do you think my friend thinks about that strategy now?

Same idea here :)
Girts Sprancis 12 years, 2 months ago
IF you want to build aggro image and don't mind the variance, this spot is decent to iso 4bet the BB out of the hand and have a potential 40-45/55-60 vs the SB with dead money.
Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
when u use squeeze with 4 bet u usually squeeze player in the middle, when it comes back to bigblind who called 4 bet of a small blind his hand for sure has enough quality to enter the flip and certainly sufficient odds as downside to your suggestion
z0fman 12 years, 2 months ago
and since we have relative position isnt it best to just see a flop and the action on the flop and then decide rather than take the high variance line of getting it allin pre?
Girts Sprancis 12 years, 2 months ago
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind seeing flop in position at all. And Aleksandra has a point, but just from my personal experience those loose OOP callers will fold often enough when the preflop bet becomes biggish. Thats at the low stakes.
Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
not sure hand Qc 2h Jc Th is great choise to make it get in 3 way flip,actually v lousy
Girts Sprancis 12 years, 2 months ago
If it is likely to go in preflop, I agree completely with this. You certainly need fold equity either PF or at least on the flop. In this hand BB will very very rarely 5bet allin, and might fold similar hand to our's on the flop and then our flip with the SB becomes extremely good. (we even get an immediate discount from the side-pot)
Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
What i meant is~ if you 4 bet to isolate small blind, you maybe faced with 5 bet of a bigblind, so flatting at most is best to see flop IP as u said, position does matter, i just wanted to point out 4 bet to isolate is bad cause u dont wanna get into eventual flip with such hand 3 way and though BB will rarely 5 bet allin , it might happen..flatting wont hurt there, you can be aggro postflop

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