6-max: 5-bet pot preflop, 172bb deep
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6-max: 5-bet pot preflop, 172bb deep
CO: 162.85
BN: 191.54
SB: 100
BB: 172.86 (Hero)
UTG: 30.06
UTG folds, HJ raises to 3.30, CO raises to 11.40, BN folds, SB folds, Hero calls 10.40, HJ raises to 30.85, CO raises to 91
This might be super simple, but i'm still learning the game so I thought i'd ask. I don't have much in terms of reads on the CO, except that he's a reg and seems to be somewhat taggish. I don't use a hud, so i don't have any numbers to offer.
When action gets to me the first time I flat, although i'm aware that the 3bet reopens the action to the HJ, who is likely to shove. In that scenario i'm always flatting if the CO calls, but when he repots to 91 I'm not sure what the correct decision is.
I plugged in some hands into an equity calculator and w/ HJ's hand plugged in, 3 ways, my hand is just less than 30% against the raggiest aces, approx 25% against the raggiest kings. I dominate some of the run downs he might be trying to iso the HJ with, although any A-high broadway type hands have me completely crushed (around 12%). I expect this to be a smaller part of his range since he knows i'm still to act and we're both so deep. That being said, when i call my range looks pretty weak and he may reasonably assume i'm going to fold a lot in this spot when he repots.
How does the HJ's stack size affect my decision to continue? Also, thoughts on this spot if i'm 100bb deep instead of 172?
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id call it off 100 bigs deep and fold with your stack size… but im not a math whizz
I think we should actually open fold this hand to the 3bet, upsetting as it is. Our hand is very smooth, but we don't have an equity advantage against any reasonable range - for example, we have 40% against a top 10% range. Additionally, HJ will often shove, recognizing that he can often get heads up with dead money in the pot (the mutual implied threat between the two deep stacks will often force once of you to fold). When that happens and CO comes over the top, you're forced to either abandon your equity or put in a ton of big blinds behind, both of which are pretty disastrous.
It might seem weird to fold a hand this pretty, but if you think about the situation, I believe it makes sense. Short stack opens in HJ - he says he has a strong range. CO 3bets to more than 1/3 of shorty's stack, announcing his attention to get all in with him - he says he can beat a strong range, so he has a really really strong range. By the time it gets to us, we're up against a strong range and a super strong range, it costs a lot for us to continue, we are behind in equity, the betting is still open, and in the event we see a flop we'll be out of position. I just don't see any reason for us to continue with any but the strongest of hands, and even though this hand looks nice, it's not quite there.
Things would be compl diff if we were all 100bbs or deeper. I would jam vs certain ppl (once it goes raise-3b-call-4b-5b) 100bbs where usually they both have AA and maybe flat deeper (if i thought i had good visibility).
W these stack sizes we may have decent eq in the 3w pot but not great as shorty doesnt have to have AA and we are def behind the deeper stack and once hes put so much money in pre we arent makin any money most likely.
Have to agree w everything dirty d said esp fold to the 3b (id flat the 3b if co was a fish w a wide range meaning the chance that 3bettor gets to reopen the avtion is very low). Readless on co i guess id flat 3b but fold to 5b.
Wo doin the math (applies for ingame too) id fold as id guess we are at best makin back a couple of bbs best case scenario and it could be a big mistake to flat the 5b.
edit:....id flat the 3b if the HJ was a fish with a wide range obv
Thanks guys. I did end up folding to the 5bet, and CO showed up w AKJT, which of course had me crushed.
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