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$5/5/10 live PLO in EP with weak AA and flop top set.

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$5/5/10 live PLO in EP with weak AA and flop top set.

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I show up to the casino and see 2 PLO tables running. The table has a few mid/high stakes NL players with deep stacks and a few faces I have never seen. I am a PLO reg but not at these stakes, but these stakes dont run much. Villian in the hand is a solid pro. I dont see him play much PLO but when he does, I have seen him run very well and get involved in questionable hands preflop. Examples are hands like 2377 4489 and those types of hands. But I have seen him get quads vs bigger sets 2x in about 10 hours of play together.
My image vs these players I think is tight but to the others I am a solid winning player and aggressive (its weird that I have 2 different images). I raised one pot preflop and bet the flop and took it down and that was all so far. It is early in the session.
I am in EP with $900 and have AA72 no suits and I think about making it my standard $30 here but I assume that I will get at least 5 callers and will be OOP the whole hand and be lost in a big pot with weak AA's. I decide to limp and am pretty sure if it is raised I would reraise it and get HU with my hand. That doesnt happen and we get 9 players in the hand and the pot is $90.
Flop
Ah Ts 6h
My standard is to bet here and lead out when its checked to me but this flop has potential and I think it makes more sense to let someone bet, get a straggler, and repot it. I choose to check and villian to my left makes it $60. I am amazed when its folded back to me and I have now completely underrepped my hand and consider calling but not for long and I make it $225. Villian has me covered and he repots it and we get it in.
The rest of the hand doesnt matter. Its obvious what he has here.

I have questions though:
1-Is my preflop thought process good here? Remember, this is live and I am in EP. I still think that if I raise, I am just causing issues for my hand. There is really only 1 kind of flop I can continue with and when that happens, I underrep my hand.
2-On the flop, should I lead this? I lead almost always but bc I limped AA and flopped an A, I think I can check it being 90% certain that someone will bet. I would NEVER check this if I thought it would check through.
3-Can anyone make the argument to just check call the flop? I dont think that makes any sense and it opens the door for my making mistakes later in the hand. I dont think anyone will say calling the flop makes sense, especially HU.
4-Is my thinking way off in this hand?

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anchordraw 12 years, 3 months ago
if villian has KQJx with the nut flush draw your behind. If you ran it twice and won once you probably split the $70 dead money minus rake so I really hate this spot. Your probably behind on the flop given his desire to get it allin with next to no dead money . I hate AAxx with no flush or straight potential. I would never or rarely raise preflop EP with AA72 no suits. Seeing the flop cheap seems like the best option since like you say your hand is under repped if you hit, and there are not many flops without and Ace your going to like. Given the flop getting it in and hoping someone is overplaying 10 10 xx vs. the flush rap your almost certain to be up against here seems best. I hate check calling then possibly having to fold best hand to any scare card.
Jason Ring 12 years, 3 months ago
I think limp/3betting is a really bad way to play this hand. Aces is what most of the players will put you on so they can play accordingly and your Aces are very weak. Either limping then calling raise multiway or opening initially seems to be best way to play pre flop. You are looking to flop set over set with this hand so the more players the better
jloo87 12 years, 3 months ago
yea agree. As for flop play, i think whether you should lead or c/r really depends on the other players in the hand. If there are players to your left to act that are aggressive and stab alot c/r is better, otherwise bet out if they are passive players left to act
cAp217 12 years, 3 months ago
I would raise to get hu vs someone. Not to play multiway oop. I like limp call if I don't think a raise on my part will thin the field.
Mikey Stotz 12 years, 3 months ago
I only ask because I think I might've been playing in the game - Charlestown, WV was where I was playing and all of your descriptions fit the game I was in and I vaguely recall this hand.
cAp217 12 years, 3 months ago
Wasnt Charlestown but the action can get to be the same here. That game gets really big though. No cap and some people are willing to lose $20k a night at that game.
pacmang 12 years, 3 months ago
I think preflop is good especially vs. a table of passive players.

On flop I don't really like your plan because if you pot it he can easily still call with a good draw and there is a ton of turns you don't want to see. I like it more to go for lead and if someone raise we pot over or he calls and we can either bet again or go for a check/pot.

MajaIvarsson99 12 years, 3 months ago
Yea I still think a raise is better pf. You'll have to c/f a lot but then again you'll set over set people a fair bit which is most of the value of your hand. Limping UTG and then going nuts on A-high boards shouldn't foul anyone and I think that anyone decent would fold 66 against your line a fair bit, which they wouldn't if you just raised pre and cbet. However, in practice I guess people suck and will missplay a fair bit, so maybe it's good. I'm really not sure.

On the flop a lead is much better then a c/r since it keeps your range slightly wider, I think that with rake you're probably only slightly +ev against his shoving range and probably losing money against his calling range given that he'll play really well with it which is obviously a horrible result with top set in a game like this.

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