5/10 HU - Can´i fold even top of my range here?
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5/10 HU - Can´i fold even top of my range here?
Hi guys,hope life is good. Really like to get some feedback on following hand. Unfortunately i d on´t have the handhistory as file anymore but i try my best to give you all details.
Infos: Villain def. is a reg (mostly 6max). We are early in the match - only played some hands but so far he opens 100% and seems to play a really aggressive cbet flop strategy (cbet every flop). No specific reads/hands i could offer here.
Action: He opens to 22$ i call with 3467:ss (100bb effe. stacks)
Flop: As 2h 9s He cbet 30 into 44 and i call
Turn: As 2h 9s - 5h Villain bet 80 into 104 and hero c/r to 300 - villain calls and pot is 704 with 648 behind
River: As 2h 9s - 5c - 9d
Hero has to make a decision ...
I think pre and flop seems mostly standard - don´t see any real other options.Turn: This is better for his range then for mine so i check (which i assume is default for most) - given the fact that i have the supadupa redraw i think c/r turn is the way to go.Here is where i think my range is mostly unbalanced - i don´t see many semi bluffs i´d play this way honestly nor do i c/r merge ever or at least often enough (because a.) i don´t have sets (f.e.) here often at all and b.) there is good reason to c/r flop too).
My assumption about villains range once he calls:
-any set
-maybe he flats some straights to bluff pairing river
-A9 or Aces up with spades
-say any Khi FD
The river is really nasty for my range cause i don´t have boats while villain has and given my perceived range (straights and semi bluff give ups/air) he can read my madehand pretty wells and i can´t do much against it (at least i don´t see how i could construct a range that isn´t in a tricky spot on that river without making my game way more complex (then i feel its has to be overall).Villain shoudln´t get to the river with many hands he has to bluff or can be bluffing with (he either has boats or busted FD´s or Ax+ which is showdown value).I don´t think people float my c/r turn that light tho i am repping thin - i am curious what you think about this !Given my assumptions i think river is a c/f and although i am top of my range here i feel it doesn´t matter that much anymore. My plan for river spade was c/c btw. because now i think villain could turn more hands into bluff and my c/r turn range contains some more hands (straights) i could c/f now.
My Questions:
Do you play turn differently?
What you put villain on once he calls turn c/r?
Whats hands would you c/r turn in addition (semi bluff and value).
How does you river plan look like on that 9 and what would you do on a spade?
I hope i didn´t ask for too much - i will check this thread each day and if you like put in some ppt as back up for my comments.Thanks in advance for feedback!
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Good post and interesting situation. I'll chime in with my first (and possibly a bit naive) thoughts:
On this flop texture + turn card, once you have called pre and c/c flop, it would be a fair assumption that you'll have a lot more hands that want to c/c again than c/r-worthy hands? If that is true, the easy "range fix" of also c/c'ing your nuts + redraws can't be a big mistake. Even if you'd be very happy to get it in on the turn.
Now, we can argue that never c/r'ing this turn is a mistake, but frequency-wise it's probably not a big one (per assumptions). The benefits of getting to the the river with a wider and less capped range could make up for whatever we give up by never c/r'ing. At least life becomes easier, and it seems like a decent starting point.
zen fish nailed it. I think x/c'ing the turn really fixes your range construction problems. Villain will also value bet most of his top two and sets on the river and if the board stays the same you can x/r the river and expect to get looked up fairly light, potentially even rebluffed.
Hey guys, thanks for your comments. I considered the c/c turn line but i felt its a bit to weak and it costs my to much money in a vaccum and given its early in the match i usually stick to more vaccum plays. I have a bit trouble knowing that if i have no c/r range on turn it makes villains live easier given he know (and even if not) that i c/c or c/f 100% of the time so i was thinking about widening my c/r on turn but i couldn´t find many hands here that makes sence or balance out my straight heavy river range (say i c/r 22 on turn i still have a bluff catcher on river given i have worst boat, c/r AA doesn´t make sence cause i block potencial madehands that can call turn c/r so that leaves only 99 at best). Seems like c/c is the logical conclusion. The good thing about turn cc is that we are now able to put in some river c/r tho i am not really bluffing blank rivers ever so usually villain should fold decently on river to c/r but who knows.
Given your assumptions I don't think the river spot is that ugly, I think you can easily fold. However, once Villain realizes that you only have 45 when you checkraise here it becomes easy for him to float with any reasonable flushdraw, he has equity to improve on rivers that you are not gonna fold that often, and if the board pairs he winst the pot. If he's not doing that but he's just folding a lot to the checkraise the problem with checkraising is more with not getting value if the board bricks. So if you want to checkraise the turn here I think you want to checkraise with some hands like 95+fd that have blockers or a fh when the board pairs, can have the flush sometimes when its hits and can profitably bluf when the board bricks. I feel like a strategy of checkraising turn should do better than just cc-ing turn because although your turn range might be weak , villain can't bet more than the pot on the river so you don't get that much value by slowplaying the top of your range. Furthermore, I don't think he will fold the turn often with hands worse than your that can vbet the river if you cc? Im new to plo btw so I hope my thoughts make some sense)
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