5/10 3b pot mw vs fish
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5/10 3b pot mw vs fish
BN: $2463.52
SB: $534.52
BB: $1208.07
UTG: $2802.24 (Hero)
HJ: $1686.09
Hero raises to $30, HJ folds, CO folds, BN calls $30, SB raises to $130, BB folds, Hero calls $100, BN calls $100
Villain here is pretty loose/bad, plays ~60%VPIP pre and doesn't 3bet at all. SB is a shortstacker that plays very solid most of the time, I believe here he has a very, very tight range in this spot.
My open is a bit on the loose side, but with the fish and his stacks it's definitely playable. Anyone hate the open? After BB 3bets, I'm not sure if I am thrilled to call or disgusted to be sandwiched vs very strong range and a deep stack behind me - thoughts?
Postflop I am torn again on the hand - I can't stack happily against anyone, yet I have a hand that I want to continue on and I can potentially bluff some cards if I get to the turn and besides that, I have a wrap against a fish deep. What should my game plan be? Should I also expect SB to check his AA**+nfd ever? Should I just fold flop?
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Pre seem's fine.
Flop is just a bet for value/protection/isolation when checked to. You can pretty comfortably get it in against SB, and bet/fold vs button. Bet/folding works better vs btn than check/calling because a) you fold out his equity, b) you realize your equity, and c) you protect your hand. A-C all work better on flops and turns with the betting lead being OOP.
Based on the table make up I'd probably fold the first time around, and then I'd definitely fold to the squeeze. We'll be in all sorts of nasty spots on the flop with this hand since SB will have 1 SPR to shovel in the rest with basically anything, and we'll have a very loose 250 BB deep stack behind us. One thing to note is that SB is not as tight as we think if he's not jamming that flop. Once we get to the flop, though, I'd play it like Overbet56.
Ok, back to the biggest stack (besides your of course). You know that you are OOP vs this fish, but you have the game to play him (again an assumption). If Fish 3bets your open would you like it? If no, then limp and play smaller pot or bet/fold (i hate this option). but again pick an option. If yes, then if nobody else is in the pot flat call and see the flop. If someone else is in (and this is where we need help with how often the other players are in hands constantly), we can 4bet to isolate as an option. (again how crazy are you?) are you willing to 4bet pre to get hands up at the risk of a big pot, or are you willing to play 3 or 4 way in a smaller pot?
So that is my start as any kind of "plan " goes. Target where the short stack is, if there is one. When one player is short, the game and hand selection changes, so take care of that issue first.
To answer preflop open - 1) this hand is top 7% of all hands in PLO (which may not good enough of an argument, since it's somewhat tough to play) 2) I have a fish on the button and my game plan is to get involved with him, it's definitely not the first time I play vs him 3) SB is pretty tight pre, I've noticed him playing looser just occasionally, but not always, I haven't played vs him this day. If a guy is tight, I'd assume he will not mess with me much when I open utg, since I play reasonably tight utg in most lineups as well and he knows it if he uses HUD. I cannot miss opens that involve me with a fish just for the rare 5% that he will 3bet me and I will not be sure what to do. 4betting this hand against anyone on this table would be atrocious btw.
Now on facing the 3bet I may be convinced that folding is better.
I would play pre the same and call the 3bet since we get to play deep vs the fish (oop sure but our postflop edge would make up for that, right?)
On the flop I would bet half of SBs stack that would be around 200 with the intention of jamming vs fish call + shortstack AI. In the case the fish raised i would call and then X/F Clubs + Pairs, Lead all cards that hits me and X/C all blanks. Is this spewey?
I was very afraid to stack there but it seems our hand doesn't do that bad vs 98**. I guess I agree with this line, only question is Is x/c blanks better than leading, he may check back some huge draws on the turn, which means that we are making a (small) mistake?
Wow I cannot believe people don't like this spot on the flop. Someone who thinks it's a tough situation please explain why. From my perspective, we have an overpair and a wrap vs a fish who is calling with over half his hands pre-flop and presumably continuing on the flop with all open-enders, many/all flush draws, and probably lots of other hands like one pair + weak draw that we crush AND have a playing advantage against. Is my perspective way off?
Pre-flop, I think we have to open a hand like this with a deep-stacked fish in the pot (I would open it in nearly every situation regardless). It sucks when the SB squeezes but he's only doing that with a small % of hands, we're not crushed by most of them, and the fish will often call the squeeze as well with a hand worse than ours.
Just to be clear, I am genuinely looking to have the flaws in what I'm saying explained to me and not berating anyone for disagreeing.
As it played out on the flop, I'd be torn between calling the 400 and playing mostly to hit, and min-raising (obv call a shove) the flop and shoving most non-club turns when the BTN calls.
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