50plo - 3b pot oop, turn decision

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50plo - 3b pot oop, turn decision

BN: 9itsmygame1: $58.50
SB: kinglune: $50.25
BB: Asmodei10: $68.01
UTG: prostak69: $50
HJ: I AM LAGOSH: $41.68
CO: legendaW: $221.85
Preflop ($0.75) (6 Players)
kinglune was dealt T A 2 A
prostak69 folds, I AM LAGOSH folds, legendaW raises to $1, 9itsmygame1 folds, kinglune raises to $3.50, Asmodei10 folds, legendaW calls $2.50
Flop ($7.75) 2 8 4 (2 Players)
kinglune bets $6.50, legendaW calls $6.50
Turn ($20.75) 2 8 4 5 (2 Players)
kinglune checks, legendaW bets $12.53, kinglune raises to $40.25, and is all in, legendaW calls $27.72
want to open a discussion here about my turn play
got $40 left on a $20 turn pot, i turned a nut flush draw and inside wheel draw
i can bet call for sure, in game i decided to c/s that i think can suck it one more bet from him
because sometimes he is betting with his less equity hand
or i can check/call but its less attractive since there r many rivers that would kill actions or im unsure where im at
River ($101.25) 2 8 4 5 A (2 Players)
Final Pot
kinglune has T A 2 A legendaW has K 3 K 2 legendaW wins $98.50

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Cthulu23 10 years, 11 months ago

Flop bet size is too large. Also makes it fairly obvious you're gonna bet blanks turns and stacks are gonna be fairly shallow so he can slowplay the shit out of you very profitably.


Tom Coldwell 10 years, 11 months ago
I don't think we'll get slow-played much with this sizing - I expect villain to just jam his 2pr+ hands (it's looks like an "I won't fold" bet). That said, I agree that the sizing is too large on a board this dry.


Cthulu23 10 years, 11 months ago

I would... even with 84 and jam anything above an 8 that isn't an A. It's true that it backfires when he's got some wraps with 8 but whatever.

Tom Coldwell 10 years, 11 months ago
Apart from saving money on a few bad turns, I'm struggling to see the merits of this line over shoving - if anything, it feels like we risk losing action on some cards (esp 8s) where we could have won the lot on the flop. When I am way ahead of my opponent and have good reason to think he'll put his stack in, my preference is to enable him to do so.

I'm not saying slow-playing isn't "profitable" in a vacuum (clearly once you have top 2+ here, you have a great spot), I'm just unconvinced it's better than shoving and pretty confident it isn't the play we should expect from a random.


Cthulu23 10 years, 11 months ago

I guess you are right it's the play we should expect from a random. That said, i don't think it's all that likely a pot bet on 842r means he's stacking off. His hand looks like AA8Q or AA56 at best, which would stackoff, but plenty other combos that don't. Maybe raise get in naked 84 and slowplay some sets then?


Tom Coldwell 10 years, 11 months ago
My read is that very few people are pot/folding overpairs (or even top pair) here and I don't expect it to be random air. If you think he's often weaker than that, then yes, I can see the merit in slow-playing assuming he'll spaz turn a lot. And for sure I would be more comfortable doing it w/ sets than 2pr 'cas they are less vulnerable (although unless you think he's bluffing random overcards here, I wouldn't slow-play those either).


Cthulu23 10 years, 11 months ago

Well then he's the reason you should call 3bets with any 4 ip. But innocent until proven guilty. Calfanboy, how do you plead?


Tom Coldwell 10 years, 11 months ago
I don't think that's a bad board to bet/stuff on against anyone remotely aggressive (really hard to flop big so a jamming range should include a ton of 8+gutters etc). If we were deeper than 100bbs, it'd be very different, but at this stack depth I don't hate going broke if we think villain is aggro.



calfanboy 10 years, 11 months ago

actually , i was not planning to pot/go otf. 

I mean, the flop is as dry as a desert 

after i pot in a 50 plo, i dun really  expect him to expect me to fold, 

so actually i was to b/f there


after all , now i think actually shoving turn will serve me better 

first of all, i have no read on the aggressiveness of villain

i risk him checking back , for which those hands got considerable equities vs my hand

which may fold to my aggression ott

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