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50 HU bad trips in 3b pot facing action

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50 HU bad trips in 3b pot facing action

SB: $50.60 (Hero)
BB: $147.95
3 bet 69% c-bet in 3b pots 70%
Preflop ($0.75) (2 Players)
Hero was dealt Q T T 2
Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1
Flop ($4.00) 2 9 2 (2 Players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $7.25, BB raises to $23.75
Am i turning my hand into a bluff by raising flop? I don't know how often to expect a re-raise but i think there is a lot of protection and value in raising. But i almost have to fold now which feels bad because i will have a wide range here for raising.

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lofigr 12 years ago
It's big alarm he re raises so much and we can exclude he has air unless he's "maniac".
We can exclude 99 also as he would surely min raise u, probably just called.
I don't think he uses "reverse psychology" i.e. by such huge raise he wants u to think it's air as he wouldn't scare u with flopped full house. Furthermore, he's big stack guy and as you said "u r turning your hand into a bluff by raising flop". Is he capable to play like that?
I think he would also min raise u with 29 hand, but I also think rare 29 hands r 3-betting hands pre.
And what's the hand he re-raises u so big having in mind pre 3-bet? Btw, what's your pre raise to $0,75?
Why don't u raise to $1 minimum?
This way his 3-bet raise is just the thing u didn't do in SB ( raise to $1,5 which is < pot raise = $1,75).
I also don't think he re raises flop with bare flush draw.
He could (easily) have hand like AKQ2(hh), AKJ2(hh) and versus both u will hardly win the hand...
I am not sure whether your TT help you or not as T will rarely hit the board. It remains only Q .....
He could also have low ds rundown like 6542(hh) - you are 47% - 53% underdog if his rd is in hearts and you have 62% -38% if it isn't suited in hearts.

I think I would fold and that would be tough one....


STAV 12 years ago
Raising this flop does not mean your bluffing. You're obviously value raising. The bigger question is his preflop and flop stats are aggro, is he likewise aggro when 3 betting flop or has he only had the goods, could he 3 bet worse 9's than you, could he 3 bet heart draws here or AAxx. If yes to all of the above your hand is a favourite against that range so ship it in.
ZenFish 12 years ago
For the future, think about how you play those hard-to-hit paired/disconnected flops per default and vs various opponent types.

Versus those that give up a lot, you can attack a lot without worrying about being balanced. When they do fight back, you must exercise caution, though. Against tough opponents that can re-bluff, you need to think about balance. How often are you raising and giving up vs raising and continuing against a 3B.

Another thing to think about is how often you defend vs c-bet on this board type in general, and how often you actually have a hand worth raising for value. It's hard to hit here, and not many strong hands in both players' ranges. Since strong hands are sparse, be aware of how you distribute them between your ranges. Make sure you are able to show up with a strong hand on future streets both after raising and calling the flop.

If you raise all your best hands (+ some air) on the flop, your calling range will be weak, and likely to stay weak on future streets. Calling some trips (the worst ones) will be good for balancing your calling range (now you can show up with trips and boats on any turn), and then you can raise good trips balanced with whatever % of air you think works best (you can raise a lot of air against those that c-bet their entire range on such boards and bet-fold too much of it ).

Simply never raising these very hard-to-hit boards is an alternative. If you choose to go that route, you call with your entire defending range, planning to make your opponent's life difficult on the turn. The problem of flop balance then disappears, and you get to the turn with a wide-but-decently-strong range that includes everything from nuts to floats.

Note that this information hiding strategy makes sense from a game theory perspective: You don't have many strong hands on this board, so there should be a lot of calling anyway. Never raising sacrifices some value on the flop, but you gain later by hiding information and making your own strategies easier for yourself (fewer balance issues to worry about).
jonna102 12 years ago
Why are you raising the flop at all? What do you expect that to accomplish? You have a weak trips hand that is unlikely to improve. You may have the best hand, but when he 3-bets you're not so happy anymore. And raise-folding this hand is kinda gross, but at the same time you can't get it in here and expect to be doing too well.

Playing this hand passively in position is the clear best option in my opinion. It forces the BB to play three streets out of position in a high SPR situation. Clearly works in your favor. If you had A2xx or K2xx with live side cards you'd have a much clearer raise/get-it-in situation.
TJ Serdar 12 years ago
I would be pretty much thrilled to get 3bet in this spot and stack off. I guess it depends on your frequencies here. I ch/r this spot a bit more than most so I expect to get jammed on or floated by a lot of goofy stuff.

I mean given you have a 2, the frequency with which he has 2xxx or 99 is incredibly low(The times you are up against them, you have 5 outs and 3 outs which aren't insignificant). Also on a 2-tone texture, he's going to have NFD/AA+fd/KK+FD a lot more than 2xxx/99

Also Zen Fish's post about protecting your calling range on this texture is very good.

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