4th nutflush facing barrel
Posted by ohgodwhy
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4th nutflush facing barrel
BN: $25.42
SB: $27.66
BB: $74.04
UTG: $10.25
HJ: $62.09 (Hero)
CO: $32.01
SB: $27.66
BB: $74.04
UTG: $10.25
HJ: $62.09 (Hero)
CO: $32.01
V 31/25, tiny sample
Preflop
($0.35)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
7
K
8
Q
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, BB raises to $2.65, Hero calls $1.80
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, BB raises to $2.65, Hero calls $1.80
Flop
($5.65)
2
T
3
(2 Players)
BB bets $3.60,
Hero calls $3.60
Turn
($12.85)
2
T
3
4
(2 Players)
BB bets $8.50
Seems weird to fold once I hit one of the turns I'm hoping for but would he really bluff this card and/or giveup on the river if called?
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This seems like a loose open from HJ, but if the table was tight in overall I don't mind it.
How often was his 3betting pre? 31/25 is loose enough that I'd call turn and re-evaluate river, but I can be convinced otherwise.
He can easily put you on a ten and try to barrel off, you can't fold turn ever.
Probably peeling at this point also. I too feel like this is a bit loose of a HJ open. From CO I open if the button is bad and folding too much and not 3b not steals. Post flop aggression stats could lead me to fold, but I think someone donking flops is aggressive enough that I make the peel here.
I open this in CO if Phil Ivey is in the button, and we're 500bbs deep.
Yes, pre is loose and I guess at least one of the players behind me was tight and/or one of the blinds a bad player.
The question is, if you call the turn do you also call the river if he ships the river (and I don't think any card will change the situation really) expecting him to naked Ah bluff often enough?
So hard to know early in a game if a guy is going to take a naked bluff here. If he does than you can call turn and river. Readless I am not 100% sure if enough 25PLO players naked bluff with Ah here. I would call turn and river and make the note. Learning if he is capable of these blocker plays will be beneficial in the future. Will maybe get up a poker juice bluff catch analysis for you tonight, it was a spot and situation that I already started to analyze away from the tables myself.
nerevar, if you would open this with Phil Ivey on the button 500 bb deep, think about all reasons why you don't play with Phil Ivey ^^ and if you want to get to that seat beside Phil Ivey once, take into consideration to improve by
-respecting other good players opinions and try to understand why they think and play spot differently
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It doesn't matter if he crushes you... it's just disrespectful towards the game to fold that from the cutoff. You've got to have heart and commitment to the game. And what automatically makes him a good player? And well the reason he thinks and plays differently is obviously cause he's the true definition of a nit. There were some questionable spots throughout the posts where yeah you could argue both ways and say one is solid and one is looser potentially worse, but this is such a no brainer open against anyone 100bbs deep. When I called people nits for playing 26/18 It was Sauce who agreed that it's pretty friggin tight. I won't name who but there is this other guy that keeps giving advice and in one hand he said, I'm considering not 4betting AA 110 bbs deep oop cause they're not premium enough AA75ss. You know what... Phil G and the gang are all super cool guys and all and far from nits, actually the opposite. But fuck this and what's it doing to the game. Hope you all choke on your double suited aces - I'm out of here.
Pretty big difference between having heart and enjoying pain and misery. There are reasons that I might open this from the HJ but with two players left to act and a hand that has near zero nut potential. We will end up in a lot of situations like this where we are bluff catching.
Hey it's a great looking hand, but just not going to play well in the long run. Mix up the side card ranking and we start to get a hand that is going to flop a lot better in the long run, even take the 7 and make it a T for KQT8 and you can imagine all the extra draws, made hands and value that can be flopped.
HJ, not CO.
100% standard open from CO, I don't think anybody disagrees with that.
Yes thanks Zen thanks
That comment was to neverar23, if it wasn't clear (RIO tech staff: would be useful with a quote function). :-)
a) We're not talking about CO open here. Hero was HJ. Hence, this is probably not a no-brainer open 100bbs deep.
b) 26/18 is tight, but not terribly so at lower stakes. Just because Sauce said it's friggin tight doesn't mean we have to go crazy and lag it up to 40/25/12 or something to win money. There are times where you have to play 26/18, if not tighter, and attain decent winrates.
c) Also, it's sorta meaningless to talk about the overall stats when it comes to preflop play. For example, 26/18 is hardly 26/18 from all positions, and I agree that even for those 26/18 "nits" this is an easy open from CO. Once again though, I doubt it will be an (easy) open from HJ.
d) There is nothing wrong with having heart and commitment to the game, but I'm not sure if I see the relevance of lagging it up to that..
Id say nerevar has a better shot at 200-400
Ya fuck
Fuck
God damn it. Its a fucking disrespect to the game. I had to 6 bet AQo today utg and guy had A8s
o :) nerevar, i wanted up comment to be sort of tease joke - friendly advice so you open your mind to other people opinions, because they have experience and lot of skills and we are all here to get better, no one wants to make a freaking nit of you^^
You made the man a nit
lol u
He freaked out and went to FoxWoods
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