4566ds vs 4567ds as a 3 bet
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4566ds vs 4567ds as a 3 bet
Is it generally true, that when I'm considering to 3 bet either 4567ds or 4566ds IP for example CO vs BTN (when CO opens 30%)
I should much rather choose the 4567ds 100BB deep and the 4566ds 250BB deep?
Reasons: while 4567ds often flops enough of a hand (2 pair, pair+FD/OESD, etc) to get it in 100BB deep, when I'm MUCH deeper (250bb) I would not want to go allin with these kind of holdings, however a set might suffice. In other words 4566ds flops less often something, but when if flops it flops stronger (so higher nuttiness and less flopability). Ignore the question whether it is correct to 3b these...
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On the flip side, fewer wraps to flop.
that's true, but do you want to get it in with just a wrap (possibly non nut) 250 BB deep?
Do you want to GII with bottom set 250bb deep? Against a overset, your set is way behind, wraps have at least some EQ even if its only for a split.
4bet ranges are usually such that our wraps are very rarely dominated (potentially only on the 98x boards, but there SPR is still high enough to where we can flat a cbet and don't have to GII), so that shouldn't be a real issue.
Are there too many 250bb spots in small/micro?I mean, even ante games on ps don't allow to start with 100+bb BI, if I got it right.
Anyway, I think that 3b 4567 is better pretty much regardless of depth. We'd have much more barreling options on kj4 with this hand comparing to 4566ds. To be fair I don't have much different ranges for deep stack game other that I use in100bb so can't say much
Both these hands are the exact opposite of what you want in a big pot in a deep situation. They are probably roughly equally undesirable though, assuming you play both hands well. They play a bit differently from each other, but I don't know that you would very much favor one over the other in 100-250 bb situations.
Thats all true. Although wouldn t you widen your 3betting range IP when deep? At the same time being extremely aware of the non nuttiness of your hand. Therefore not overplaying pair+draw or 2pair in a deep situation. Just the fact that for villain its very tough to play oop deep, and im assuming we can often take down the pot on the flop with a cbet.
But the example should have been 89TTds versus 789Tds, maybe its more informative. But i agree with the fact that there is not a huge diff to be discussing about. Both are easy 3bet ip deep
Sure, I think you may want to adjust your 3-betting depending on stack size. At the same time it's a trade-off between having more decision points in position, and with nutty hands gaining in value in deep spots and non-nutty hands losing in value. And what happens when you play against players who won't respect your idea that you're supposed to take it down often with a cbet? (i.e. they're counter exploiting you in a way)
I can't say that I have all the answers, but I do know 89TT and 789T also suffer from similar issues, to a lesser degree. Let's say you 3-bet one of those hands IP, OOP calls, you c-bet and OOP check-raises full pot. Right now, almost regardless of what you have, you are going to be in trouble on turns and rivers, and being in position may not help you enough. This doesn't mean not to 3-bet those hands, it's just something you need to be well aware of before even deciding to 3-bet.
4566ds is way worse. How happy are you with mid/bottom set 250bb deep?
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