3way, in sandwich, hitting TP
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3way, in sandwich, hitting TP
BB: $55.70
HJ: $211.93 (Hero)
CO: $76.19
BN: $32.46
SB: $36.54
HJ: $211.93 (Hero)
CO: $76.19
BN: $32.46
SB: $36.54
BTN 73\21 (317 hands) wtsd 30
cbet ~65% overall
3bet (overall) ~15% so far
CO 26\16 (111 hands) wtsd 40. fold to cbet quite low (too small sample tho)
cbet ~65% overall
3bet (overall) ~15% so far
CO 26\16 (111 hands) wtsd 40. fold to cbet quite low (too small sample tho)
Preflop
($0.75)
(5 Players)
Hero was dealt
A
7
T
J
Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, BN raises to $6.75, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $5.25, CO calls $5.25
Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, BN raises to $6.75, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $5.25, CO calls $5.25
Flop
($21.00)
6
T
5
(3 Players)
Hero checks,
CO checks,
BN bets $10.03,
Hero folds
kind of lost here, hand is too good to fold vs 3b, not good enough for 4b (?) plus we have deeper than 100bb CO, who could have flatted aces, then 4b would be a disaster.
same otf - 1\2cbet is more a weakness (at least it felt so then). flatting sounded certainly worse than folding (again, 'coz of being in sandwich).
is my play appropriate? any thought?
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I like donking, gii vs btn, re-ev vs co.
As played i dont think we can fold. Its bot a great spot but w spr only 3 w co and the hp cb by btn its too late to make a tight fold imo so im x-jamming now. Could call as well to avoid getting stacked by co, but i think the only strong hand he checks here is sets/maybe top2 and tp*nut wrap and we do ok vs some of those so i dont wanna call-fold and sets are super unlikely here for him so x-jam
I don't agree on jamming here.
- You say BTN 3bets 15% overall, which means that he will likely have a tighter range than 15% since he squeezes vs 2 people and not just 3bets COvBTN or BvB.
Let's say he squeezes 10% and cbets every time. We already only have 45% vs this range. Obv he won't cbet all his bad hands which makes our EQ even worse.
- Aditionally CO is still in the hand and yes I agree that he will fold oftentimes, but if I were CO I'd expect a villain with only 1,5x pot left to just pot/gii with a decent junk of his range and therefore check to induce.
I just can't imagine jamming being +EV. I'm not sure if I prefer folding or calling, but since we cap our range soooo much by calling and we only really like a A,J or T turn (7 or hearts being unhappy stackoffs) I'd nitty-fold here.
Not saying that my analysis is right or better than spassewr's by any means, but I've tried. :)
Very intersting spot pre. On the one hand I want to pot 4b and gii vs the short BTN, on the other hand this makes our hand somewhat transparent to the CO and he can call and own us with position a lot, especially once we get up to 200BBs+.
Still wondering if we can't 4bet here because the CO also has to risk the BTN shoving over a 4bet and having to invest more than he'd like pre with his more marginal hands.
I think both 4betting and jamming the flop is spewy. nh as played I'd say.
I just feel like if we are always folding these flops this hand has to be a fold preflop. I am not sure if this is the proper way to look at this but perhaps it will help explain.
This is our equity distribution on flops vs the 3b range.
This is our equity
Now we are going to be far from playing perfect on the flop since button has a wider 3b range, however I feel like if we are folding this hand post flop then we must be folding often on the flop and our implied odds are not there with the times we do flop strong (a lot of our two pairs can be dominated). Add in the fact that we have terrible relative position and I think that it's probably a fold since we have the near dangler with the 7. Bump the 7 up a rank or few and we will have a much stronger hand.If I was going to 4b preflop I would 4b to ~20 so that button can re open the action and we can GII PF and that should force more folds out of the CO.
your arguments for folding pre are spot on and mostly convince me.
but why we shouldn't 4b not pot size (if we decide to)? we're commiting anyways.
sorry if it sounds dumb, but just can't get it.
I am not really saying that I would 4b this hand, but I think that the sizing for our 4b range should be a little less than pot. If we bet pot then CO calls and BU 5bs our only option is call. By making our bet size a little smaller we leave the option open for us to 6b or call.
the crucial factor is the post flop range of btn. we def have enough eq to gii if he cbets his entire range, we still have enough eq to gii even if he only cbets T+.
How often does CO match range: $fi30!AA!$3b6i:TT,66,55 = 1.3% of the time
How often does CO have hand vs hand eq (vs our hand) of 75%+? = 1.3% of the time.
if btn is a drooler and can pick this size with any decent piece, i still think its a gii. if we give him sets, and pair+wraps and tp+87 then its def a fold even if we were heads up.
so without a read on btns sizing and it could be strong hands+draws we will gii with ok eq vs btn, and only 8% of the time will we gii 3way with about 20% eq.
im ok with folding vs these ranges vs decent players but vs a 70vpip i think its a mistake to fold pre.
so all depends on ur best guess of what a half pot from a fish means here. naked draws? OPs? strong draws+pair or strong made hands?
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