3/6 Awkward Spot.
Posted by TJ Serdar
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TJ Serdar
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3/6 Awkward Spot.
BTN is running 44/25 opening 83% of buttons. I think his btn open frequency stays pretty close to this with the fish limper. Postflop he tends to play pretty poorly in 3bet pots, stacking off a little too wide in higher SPR scenario's. Earlier we played a pot where he opened btn, SB called, I squeezed bb, BTN calls SB calls. Fl 992r spr of 2.5, SB ch I 1/3 pot, BTN min raises pretty quickly w/ AKJ9. So in this hand I'm discounting his 8x frequency quite a bit.
SB 94/65 tilted fish, 3betting 36%. His true 3b freq here is probably around 70%, maybe even higher.
http://wt.ag/15q8TZg
I think preflop is a clear 4bet as I'm a slight equity favorite HU vs SB, 3 way vs SB and BTN and 4 way if UTG cold calls my 4bet with the majority of his limping range(which is definitely possible). Additionally, my hand is actually dominating (though only slightly) a decent portion of his range. Also, by cold 4betting, I negate my poor relative position as well as isolate the SB with an SPR of around .6 and get the final bet in to max some flop FE.
As played, thoughts on post? Everything looks pretty std to me but I'm open to hearing other thoughts.
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I'm thinking fold>4bet>call preflop is best. But what do I know..I'm a nit :P
Calling a 3bet where there is a possibility of 4way pot with you with the worst relative position is a big mistake IMO. Your hand doesn't flop all that well and you will have to commit on the flop with 1 or 2 players behind. Even if they tend to stackoff light the chance they are going to get it in dominated after a cbet and a shove is rather slim. Your position sucks.
4betting will create some high variance scenarios which might and probably should be avoided when playing against donks just because you will get them eventually. It's high variance even without a limper IMO.
As played It's really hard to say without any info on BBs postflop play. Does he tend to give up when misses? If hes tilted and playing 94/65 I don't think there is much chance you have big enough FE against two bingo players to stab. It might seem like you give up too easy but with their tendencies you will most probably burn more money by fireing. Also it might get checked around and you see some more moves/pick up more info.
I don't like any of the streets tbh. Pre is close only because of both of the opponents in the pot, but you are still sandwiched with a poor hand against spewy players. 4betting would be pretty bad as well, you are just gambling with less than 50% equity if you do it. Your flop bet sizing doesn't accomplish anything, you will not force out stronger hands and you invite weaker draws to come along, both of which set up for mistakes on the turn and ultimately stacking off in a poor spot.
http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?g=oh&h1=KhJc9s7h&h2=83%25&h3=70%25&s=generic
What sizing do you prefer (if you bet) then? I just took my range sizing here.
I'd just fold preflop. We have such a dream seat with those two on our right, so I'm sure we can pick much better EV spots to tangle with SB than cold 4-betting this hand 100 BB deep. That equity sim is not exactly a reason to be excited, and I think that's absolutely best case scenario. I also dislike calling for the reasons mentioned above.
Preflop equity doesn't matter if you will get into so many unfavorable spots postflop. I don't think a bet here is good, the spr is pretty bad. I'd bet bigger with nutty hands/nutty draws, your range is pretty strong so it's better to get more value from draws, probably potting or close to it since there's not much room on the turn anyways.
If I decide that calling >4betting, your correct.
If I 4bet, I'm putting pretty significant bb's in with an equity advantage(admittedly small equity edge but still an edge), as well as often getting the final bet in and maxing my FE in large pot w/ .7 SPR.
The main reason I think calling is poor is that I often end up getting the money in on the 45 side of 55/45 vs their ranges w/ an SPR of 2, which is going to be a less profitable than when I get it in 45/55 w/ SPR of .7 while putting the last bet in.
The whole "wait for a better spot" is just noise and doesn't really apply too much to online. I'm much more concerned with taking every spot I can get and maximizing my EV. Variance is just a function of that sometimes, which I'm comfortable with.
overbet- been a while since i was on the forums, aahhhh livegrind-- a few things:
1. im not sure what you mean about lowering the spr to 0.6 w/ the SB by 4 betting, its much closer to 2 than anything under 1. do you mean on the turn? also your bet size here is 1/2 pot where when u were bluffing was 1/3 pot.
2. how do you feel btn will lay a gs+spades or bare spades? or 9T? all a bet does is let him drop bare low spades , which agreed isnt a bad result, but his continuing range seems quite strong given hes calling w/ the fish left to act.
im tempted and want to know your thoughts on 2, and if a x/c is applicable aiming to get it in on non spades? or a x/r? or do we feel his reaction to our bet will let us play perfectly?
2) Let me think more about this. I think my bet initially was for protection, but I'm not sure I like it.
I thought u 4 bet to 84? Maybe I wasn't counting yesterday
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