3-bet pot out of position vs. unknown Villain
Posted by Schorle
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3-bet pot out of position vs. unknown Villain
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players)
BN: $11.92
SB: $11.05
BB: $15.07 (Hero)
UTG: $9.59
MP: $10.46
CO: $10.00
SB: $11.05
BB: $15.07 (Hero)
UTG: $9.59
MP: $10.46
CO: $10.00
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is BB with
K
T
8
Q
, , , ,
Flop
($1.35)
3
2
K
, , , ,
Turn
($23.89)
3
2
K
6
River
($23.89)
3
2
K
6
J
Final Pot
BN
wins and shows two pair, Kings and Threes.
BB lost and shows a pair of Kings.
BN wins $22.87
Rake is $1.02
BB lost and shows a pair of Kings.
BN wins $22.87
Rake is $1.02
toni4951 (button) showed [3d 2s 5d Ks] and won ($22.87) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Hi PLO lovers,
I'm not sure whether I overplayed the hand on the flop, especially on the micros.
The main reason for the shove was that I assumed some fair fold equity (~ 25 %) and even if i would get called I have some decent equity against villains calling range (as it turned out I had 44 % equity on the flop).
Any comments are welcome.
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3bet is fine. When villains raise flop, usually you are beat, and they rarely, if ever fold after they raise. So you don't have FE and villain likely has you beat. So I think you should just fold.
In my experience, raise = big hand - top 2, set, or some monster draw (although they tend to more often call than raise).
Thx.
I think you are basically right, although my small cbet could induce more bluffs/semi-bluffs with fold equity than a cbet in potsize for example.
I would add to your last sentence that any player strongly tends to raise a monster draw in a multi way pot..
Agree with fuzzbox, to stack-off at this flop spr you basically need a 13-wrap, middle-set or better.
There are not many semi-bluffing hands that would start bluff-raising here. And more important you cannot expect someone to react in a way you have not even observed yet. This is wildly speculative. And if your read would be true, you would not induce with a hand like top-pair. What you just said makes no sense.
Hey.
I carry the same opinion as fuzz..
In the micros, when most players raise big on the flop, espicially in a 3bet pot
1) they will have TP beat and 2) they will rarely fold to a reraise. Also it's not a draw board. Would probably fold here.
Thx for your views and your aspect of the dry board, which minimizes the probability of villain raising a pure draw in this spot.
Grunching.
I don't think this combo is the absolute best 3bet without fewer gaps or an A (either for a nut suit or AA blocker), but it's not really bad.
Intense overplay OTF. If you're ahead, you're barely ahead. You don't want to be habitually bloating pots in situations like that.
A double-suited semi-connnected near-broadway rundown.
This hand is a 100% 3bet against any opponent from any position (!).
I like your line. Folding flop is a massive mistake. i think EV is likely to be fairly close between rip flop and call the raise.
Flop fold is not a mistake since it is tendency of micro-regs to raise here top-2pair+ while underbluffing and we perform bad against such a range
On this flop I like to x/call sometimes. I just think that you don't get called by a lot of worse hands (you have a lot of backdoor equity also). And by checking you can induce some bluffs.
If the button had raised pot pre, and had there been 100bb stacks, this type of board tends to just get potted alot by the preflop 3-bettor. The 3 and 2 just don't hit a button range much, so aces and Kx are quite strong. But given the BTN min raise(which should imply a wider pfr), and the larger spr, there's probably more block betting here for you. As Ben said, don't fold flop. Call or jam. The meta game at plo 10 is probably to underbluff this type of spot, so call seems good.
could you check/call the flop as an option?
I think the 2 and 3 might be more favourable for buttons range, he will have more small cards as opposed to us 3 betting
I would not fold to a raise on flop after cbetting, against 2 pr we have a lot of equity still
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