2c/5c, unknown donks flop, bottom set & 2nd NFD

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2c/5c, unknown donks flop, bottom set & 2nd NFD

BB: $4
UTG: $5.07
HJ: $9.49
CO: $12.38
BN: $4.64 (Hero)
SB: $3.01
Preflop ($0.07) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt Q Q 2 2
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10
Flop ($0.45) A T 2 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.03, SB folds, BB calls $0.83
Turn ($2.51) A T 2 8 (2 Players)
BB bets $2.41, Hero raises to $3.46, and is all in, BB calls $0.41, and is all in
River ($8.79) A T 2 8 T (2 Players)

I'm a beginner trying to get a solid thought process and going through hands on the button first.

First hand I chose to review looks maybe interesting, but unfortunately never played a hand with this villain before so no info on him.  Not sure what I can say about the player pool at this stage, I have trouble making observations about the player pool as a whole.  One thing is, donking in single raised pots heads-up seems to be rare.

On the flop the SPR is around 8.5 - generally I should be careful not to overplay non-nut or near nut hands, and look to win money by putting lots of money in when I'm dominating opponents.  So this doesn't fit the latter.

My thoughts on the flop were, if he were at the top of the range he would very likely check-raise rather than donk.  Maybe this donking line makes more sense for dry AAxx but I assumed that was very unlikely.  Wasn't sure of my equity against anything with this weird combo of bottom set and 2nd flush draw.  I chose to get it in if he re-raised.

Some equities on the flop:

about 34% vs. AA**, 40% vs. TT**

59% vs Kc5cQJ

74% vs AT**

I don't plan my hands looking forward from the flop at this stage, can't, I react to the turn card.  So what could I plan, when he donks?  I don't know what to assume.  And then when he calls my raise?  upper-middle of his range?



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TJ Serdar 11 years, 5 months ago

When he lead calls, I'd put him on like TT,AT,KQJ, fd, maybe a couple pr+345 or 345+fd, and the rare A2+backup.

When he jams turn, I think you can remove most draws from his range.  So your left with AT,TT, maybe a few like T8+fd+gutter type hands.  You can still get it in on the turn, nh.

p1ndakaas 11 years, 5 months ago

Btw, why are you calculating equity against single hands? You have to put in that entire range. 

OMGredline 11 years, 5 months ago

OK I can do that for now, I thought to do them one at a time until I can get better at the syntax, hand-reading, and include the whole range weighted properly

OMGredline 11 years, 5 months ago

BB showed, unexpected:

Ts9c8c7d, so what note can I take, general note for later play, more than, "donks 2nd pair and weak flush draw in single raised HU pot from BB"?

"donks weak HU"?

"overplays weak flush draw"?


PLOpleyah 11 years, 5 months ago

i would play the hand like you.  

I take a note like like "Donks in A high flops ?". the "?" means that is a note not confirmed, when you see this villain do the same more times you can delete the "?"

arukidinme 11 years, 5 months ago

I would actually have this hand in my c/c range with out the flush draw.  We lose a lot of equity and I like to have some hands in my c/c range that play well against draws.   Easy c/r with QQ & 2nd NFD

With regards to PPT systax, the help guide is set up really well.  If you want to make sure that you are creating the hands properly there is a "to english button" that will actually tell you what you have in putted into your range.

Tom Coldwell 11 years, 5 months ago
We can't check/call in position and you're simply gonna miss a ton of value just flatting set+flush draw this shallow. Very clear value-raise for me.


arukidinme 11 years, 5 months ago

My reply was with regards to bare bottom set (set and flush draw is an easy value raise).  I like to have some of my bottom set hands in my check range (or call donk) since the equity is a lot less than other sets against the continuation range.

Tom Coldwell 11 years, 5 months ago
Oh okay, that makes more sense. I still wouldn't include sets in my flatting range here 'cas of stack depths and assumed range for villain. If you want some strong made hands to protect your range on blanks (kinda irrelevant at 5PLO imo, but a valid aim for a theoretical perspective), I'd include my weaker aces up hands/the ones without redraws.


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