25PLO: Overpair+NFD facing flop c/r deep

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25PLO: Overpair+NFD facing flop c/r deep

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: $40.95 (Hero)
SB: $49.20
BB: $39.01
UTG: $35.32
MP: $40.24
CO: $118.21
Oppo is 40/7 over 15 hands, can't read much into it but suspect from that and his limp that he's pretty fishy/passive.
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is BN with 5 A 5 A
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.85
Standard pot-size iso, not much to say.
Flop ($2.55) 6 J 4
CO checks, Hero bets $2.00, CO raises to $8.44, Hero raises to $27.76, CO raises to $47.08, Hero calls $12.09 and is all in

I was pretty sure that this was exactly top set, I've had a couple of deep stacked hands (one of which I might have posted on here) vs loose passive fish where they c/pot flop and I've ran into top set each time after convincing myself they could have a wider range. Of course you can never put someone on exactly top set (I think anyway) and even against that I have 9 flush outs, 2 set outs and a backdoor flush. If he ever does this with 44xx then I have 2 more set outs too, and if he's ever taking this line with non-set hands then we print money getting it in here surely. Can't see much merit in flatting as our outs are not hidden well and are action killers but my thinking here might be flawed. Peeling one off lets us get away cheaply on blank turns and we can probably extract at least one bet vs top set if we do turn the nuts.

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midori 10 years, 5 months ago

Looks like a standard flat to me.

I don't think a 40/7 guy raises here with worse draws very often, and I agree that this is often times sets or maybe J6. Against sets you have 10 immediate outs (8 flush outs + 2 Aces, 4h fills him up so it's no good) on turn, and I would expect your implied odds are quite good because I just don't see him folding his sets at any point, even on heart or A turns. Also, he might sometimes slow down on 8/7/3/2 turn cards, and now you can check back to realise equity (a bit deeper, I would just pot there with my 55 blocker). If turn bricks and he pots again, oh well, nothing much we can do but folding. But there aren't too many "brick" turns, and even if it bricks, that is made up for by the times we hit and get paid off, imo.

Getting it in here doesn't look like a very attractive option, as we seem to have 0 FE and our equity against his range shouldn't be all that fantastic.

Heisenberg 10 years, 5 months ago

Yeah tbh having seen you write it down and gone back over the hand after the fact, flatting seems the totally standard/obvious line here. Even if he goes into c/c mode on a flush turn I don't think this player type can let his sets go after potting them on flop, and we can def get 2 big streets from him IP. I guess in the heat of the moment I gave him too much credit for being able to get away on scarecards when in reality that probably isn't the case. Thanks for the input. He had JJ fwiw and I felt pretty dumb when I rammed and he flipped em up after telling myself beforehand that it was probably top set! Live and learn eh.

spassewr 10 years, 5 months ago

vs the standard fish-xr-range (J6 w/something and 44+), getting it in is bad (we have about 38%) . i used to jam here 100bbs deep bc i also thought that our outs "arent hidden" but were just burning money that way. add the fact that we are deeper, gii becomes a bigger mistake. also, a lot of fish dont x-r bot set or top2 no draw deep so the range i mentioned first is probably somewhat accurate (adding bot set doesnt change it much).

if he x-r any top2+, its starting to look a little better with 46%. add all J6+,J4+fd,and both OE+fd and we are almost flipping so we need him to x-r a lot of fds or have a x-r fold range for this to be a shove. its not even an option vs a normal LPs x-r range.

this is a pretty big leak that i used to have, and ur winrate should improve drastically once u plug it.

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